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    2017 Upgrades

    Earlier this year I upgraded to the mp rotor pack and a fresh mpiii. I took the overdrive down from 33% to 25% and managed to gain roughly 2psi of boost and 20rwhp. Not shabby but the only track time I got this year resulted in a worse et but significantly higher mph which left me scratching my head. The only thing I noticed was it seemed like I was spinning alot. Fast forward to power tour and 2nd gear started slipping badly so I limped it home. I believe this was a problem for awhile and why the track times did not improve with added hp but mph did. All the gears work fine other than 2nd. I figure I will never be happy with an m90 on this motor and came across a opertunity to purchase Ken Wagner old 2.3l whipple setup! The car is about to go under the knife again. I have to reroute intercooler pipes also I am about to drop the Transmission to get it fixed. I also picked up a nice zex wet kit so I am ditching the dry setup. Stay tuned things are about to get really serious with this car! I feel like I laid all the groundwork for this with the engine build and fuel system. The only thing I am tossing around right now is to upgrade to a 95 mm throttle body or not.
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    We already know this setup is capable of 450 rwhp on a 3.8. Car is gonna be awesome buddy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec73 View Post
    We already know this setup is capable of 450 rwhp on a 3.8. Car is gonna be awesome buddy!

    It made 450/500tq on a 3.8/non locking auto. I am not sure what Ken made when he ran it. I am hoping for close to 500 without n20 and over 500 with a small shot.

    4.2 stroker forged pistons and forged h beam rods
    Arp main studs
    High volume oil pump

    Big valve ported heads
    226cfm in the intake side at .600
    200cfm @. 300 lift
    Comp triple beehive ls springs
    . 604/.605 226 duration cam
    Arp studs MLS gaskets

    3.5" intake 85mm tb
    #80 Injectors
    340lph pump

    Kooks mid length headers
    2.5" mandrel bent true dual exhaust with x pipe

    3.73s
    Wide ratio aod
    2800 non locking converter
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    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    Swweeeeet! You going to have time to get everything done before the Shootout? I did some serious under-the-hood cleaning this weekend. Trying to make the ole black car pretty finally!
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    Sweet.............depending on the wet shot could see a 10 second time slip..............
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    It was always amazing to me how much more power it makes going down the track than a poor M90 or a M112. Its probably the best upgrade to a M90 on the 3.8 that I made, except maybe going turbo

    Ken

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    Twin Turbo, air intercooled..yet to see

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrFishbone View Post
    Swweeeeet! You going to have time to get everything done before the Shootout? I did some serious under-the-hood cleaning this weekend. Trying to make the ole black car pretty finally!


    Installing a 25k btu ac in the garage today then the car comes in to go under the knife. I have to drop the tranny this week and hopefully get the m90 stuff off I hope to e mobile again before the end of August so it can be tuned
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    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickleman60 View Post
    Sweet.............depending on the wet shot could see a 10 second time slip..............
    I hope so too! This car went 12.70 with only 12psi so I hope to be 20psi or a little more
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    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob_Royer View Post
    I hope so too! This car went 12.70 with only 12psi so I hope to be 20psi or a little more
    I ran a best of 12.23 with a MPx, 11.13 with a 100 wet shot added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickleman60 View Post
    I ran a best of 12.23 with a MPx, 11.13 with a 100 wet shot added.
    I never could get the dry kit to cooperate with me and by the time I had some decent boost my transmission took a crap
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    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    I think it had a low 12 in it with the m90 I wanted to get there but just saved myself alot of frustration by going twin screw.
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    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob_Royer View Post
    I think it had a low 12 in it with the m90 I wanted to get there but just saved myself alot of frustration by going twin screw.
    Yes you did
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    Wl I'd post some pics if photo bucket wasn't gay smh... Anyway I got the rear end, driveshaft and exhaust out and tranny drained hopefully drop it tommorw. Also ordered the stuff to run an 8an feed line for fuel
    93 SC Red Auto 111k
    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    Today I dropped the transmission and removed the mpx! Also I ordered a derale stacked plate tranny cooler and the pipe kit to redo my fmic
    93 SC Red Auto 111k
    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    4.2, 2.3 Whipple, 3.73s AOD
    307rwhp 12.70@107.2 (MPX)
    395rwhp Whipple.... et ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob_Royer View Post
    Today I dropped the transmission and removed the mpx! Also I ordered a derale stacked plate tranny cooler and the pipe kit to redo my fmic
    That's kinda funny...both of our cars are pretty torn apart....less than 2 months till the Shootout and we're ordering the same stuff at the same time. I'm ordering a Derale power steering cooler instead of tranny cooler though....I've not adopted your lifestyle.
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    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, E85, Alky-Inj RWHP: ? RWTQ: ? Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
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