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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrFishbone View Post
    Another potential idea to revive some excitement....driving an all-original, low-mile SC after having a modifed one for years...well...just feels right.

    Maybe I'm not SUGGESTING it, but there's nothing wrong getting familiar with other cars either. I'd really like to build a 2nd Gen RX-7 with a Ford motor. I'd like to do a 2.3L Turbo....maybe an old 5.0L (but everybody does that ) but heck...maybe sticking with the 3.8L SC would be more fun. Get to hang out with the same guys (you KNOW you wouldn't get chased off), enjoy something different and yet the same.

    Regardless, our SC experiences will stay with us for the rest of our days....our kids might not give a crap about the old Thunderbird and that's okay. I work with an old guy that is still into those nasty looking Avantis....he still talks about them like we talk about SC's....but it's not about parts and what's new on the scene - it's about the guy in Michigan that knows the motors inside-out or the guy that still races his on the Salt Flats, etc. Staying connected to the community is whats important....I think we have an advantage nowadays!
    I don't want to be that old guy. I have a progressive mentality,

    I didn't feel like this when I was putting the anniversary together I left behind all the parts that didn't make cost per dollar sense behind. And even then I went overboard on some things, but I felt savvy and kept it simple. Wheels cut springs, and nice paint.

    I was looking find a reason to sell the mustang and consolidate again but not sure I want that now.

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    I get where you are coming from... I have such fond memories of the car as a teenager and always dreamed of turning it into a beast. So after many years I was able to fix it up and make it pretty strong. But its not the same car I grew up with and I definitely dont think of it as a get in and go anywhere car. Now its a... less than 85 degree day, not a big deal if i dont make it on time, and dont have to drive for more than an hour kind of car.

    I may not enjoy jumping in it every day, but I do enjoy wrenching on it. I enjoy challenging myself and learning new things. Now I think of it as a hobby. I still love to drive it, and I really like it when people ask me about it at the gas station or a stop light. Making time to meet up with other car folks helps as much as anything. I have a buddy at work who is a Camaro guy, but we talk automotive stuff all the time. That keeps me interested in working on mine. Going to cars and coffee, or the local drag strip, even destroying a mustang on the highway also keeps me interested. But at the end of the day, your life is how you choose to spend your time. Everyone has to decide how they want to spend it.

    FWIW, my wife loves that I love my bird, but she wont ride in it anymore... she just doesnt get it. And that is ok. We each have our own things.
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    As a newbie I hope you can find the happy point once again. Nobody close makes it hard. My 95 will not be operational until next year. The 89 hope sooner. If not it is ok. Every time walk out the front door and see the pair it is what great looking cars. Looked at 68 Cougars and 63 Thunderbirds for years decided to go with SC's.
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    For the last few years I've had a flip/flop relationship with my SC. For the last few years I've probably only put 150 miles a year on it, if that. When I first bought it back in 2005 there were about 5-6 SC's around my parts and we hung out at car meets and talked shop but now they're not around and my interest had decreased a bit. I now have another toy, 1980 Jeep CJ5, that I've been enjoying. One thing for sure is that I'll never sell it and when I do take it out for a spin I love the looks that I get from others and when I light the tires up it still puts a smile on my face........
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    As a "newbie" to the group, along with very likely being a generation younger than most here (27 tomorrow), these cars are tough but why also why I now have two of them. My 92 was in my family since 94, and I grew up in that car. Went many places with just my mom in that car. My parents fell on hard times not long after buying it, and my mom refused to sell it to "take the easy way out" because she loved it so much. Turned 16, they weren't driving it, and handed it down to me. When I met my wife after graduating high school, that car was the first car we drove in together. To others, it's not worth anything nor do many even know what it is, but to me it's way more than that.

    My wife never really understood it, she shows horses so cars/trucks are a tool and not a hobby, but it wasn't until I went to Carlisle this year that she saw first hand how into my SC I am. She's been that much more supportive since the show because she finally understood that how she feels about her horse is how I feel about my car. (My F-250 is cleaned before every horse show and she doesn't get that though). For myself, that was my first show, and it sparked what has now kind of become an obsession. I played sports up through college, and coached high school football for three years until I got a new job. I never got to wrench on anything so now that I have time (no kids...yet), I picked up my 91 in a salvage yard, and have been under the hood ever since. I'm an impatient perfectionist, which gets me in trouble sometimes, but I'm learning and building something that is uniquely mine. I also read posts on here, and you guys make everything seem so darn easy. I like to forget that this is all new to me so that doesn't help, but I'm getting there.

    Before Carlisle, I had this plan that my garage would be my 92 and a newer Mustang. After realizing that our group is quite small/unique compared to the thousands of Mustangs that go to Carlisle, I made the decision to go a different route. I like having something that other people don't. I'm not looking to make my 91 a 500 rwhp car, but something that will be uniquely mine. Yes, I will add some power to it, but I want it be comfortable and regularly drive-able too without having to worry about it. They aren't V8 monsters nor are they really an "attention grabbing" car like some others, but that's OK for me. I'm more worried about the aftermarket in the next few years as more and more of these cars go away.
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    Really it just sounds like you have a list of items to tackle. Get it right, get it to where it's enjoyable to drive, then don't screw with it and just enjoy the thing. Like Kurt, I really haven't changed mine in a decade, but I absolutely love the car. Driving it a few times a week is key to maintaining that feeling. Bigger events are icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Neibert View Post
    Ricardo,

    Everyone with a lot done to their 25 year old SC has the same feelings from time to time. If not for attending meets like the Shootout and doing car stuff like Power Tour with the other SC/XR7 guys in the area my car would probably never come out of the garage. I also hear what you are saying about the feel of driving it not being any fun if it vibrates, bounces and drones while you are dripping in sweat. Generally speaking, the idea of driving a car with all those cool go-fast mods you imagine having is always better than the real life experience.

    After removing subframe connectors and switching to a Denny's driveshaft most of the road noise and vibrations were gone. Having a new set of shocks installed also made a huge improvement in the ride. Treating myself to a new headunit with USB and Bluetooth along with some fresh speakers made long drives much more pleasant. If I had a less slippy converter and functional AC I would drive it a lot more often. I've pretty much fixed all the little nagging stuff like upgrading the LC1 wideband that overheated and constantly stopped working for a newer model that is rock solid. My car has been tuned to death and is probably as good as it's going to get, now if I could just figure out how to keep it working right instead of slowly drifting to being too rich or too lean.

    I still sit on a lot of spare parts like jackshaft accessory brackets, ABS motor & pump, accumulator, spare alternators, polished underdrives ect... Just because I think I will eventually need them if I keep the car. Don't plan to ever get rid of my white SC, but don't enjoy driving it anywhere near as much as the 14 GT500 or the 16 Challenger Hellcat. It's still fun to get out once in a while and cruise around in. I also think it still looks great for it's age.

    Just try enjoying the car for what it is, instead of comparing it to a modern muscle car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by racecougar View Post
    Really it just sounds like you have a list of items to tackle. Get it right, get it to where it's enjoyable to drive, then don't screw with it and just enjoy the thing. Like Kurt, I really haven't changed mine in a decade, but I absolutely love the car. Driving it a few times a week is key to maintaining that feeling. Bigger events are icing on the cake.
    If time and money are not a variable I could deal. I think I want to go backwards with the car on some of the suspension suspension items and put rubber back. I just thought I was done with the car when I got it back and realized the list got bigger not smaller.

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    Ricardo,

    As many have said it sounds like you want a 25 year old car to compete with a modern brand new factory built car. It is very frustrating that your anticipated goals weren't achieved. Take it from someone who has bought, built, sold, bought, built, sold, bought, built sold on several occasions that it isn't easy. To achieve a pristine, looking, riding, performing and beautiful car takes out right sickening dedication and lots of time. Seriously lots of time, the upkeep alone for an SC would make anyone go crazy.

    My very first 35th SC was my baby. When it was totaled by being rear ended I was seriously upset. It was actually my daily driver and I enjoyed every minute of that car. It was a steep learning curve with the SC and being in my mid 20's (wow I am seriously old now) I was eager without anything in the way to achieve my goals. I built 3 engines for that car. 3 different transmissions. Wade Embry rebuilt my supercharger nearly monthly. I look back and think you poor poor silly kid. Would I change any of it....HELL NO. I have made and continue to make my VERY BESTEST friends as a result of the SC. David & Kathy Neibert, Kurt & Jennifer Kreisz, Tony & Rose Serno, Kurt Sunday, Rod Maxsmovich Jr & Sr, Kelly Simons, David Dalke and family, John Vaniscycle and family, David Clark, Jacob Royer, Sally Thornsberry, Dan Thorsberry and family, Randy Hunerkoch, Matt Haub and family. Seriously the list goes one and on. When I was really running my first SCs hard prior to the first shootout I bet David Neibert and I wrenched on each other's cars nearly every weekend. So your list of little bits to correct on your car are seriously minimal in the grand sceam of things. It's going to take you the extra detail mindedness to finish it to your level of acceptance.

    Most everyone knows my history of building my first 35th totaling it then transplanting it to the 1993. I absolutely hated what I did to the 93. (Added a cage). It is really the main reason I sold that car among other personal financial issues at the time. Then later when I was capable I bought a 1995 5spd. I turned it into a turbo, NON-AC, C4 trans brake car, that ran mid 10s on IRS and drag radials. That car wasn't what I anticipated the outcome to be. Yes it was fast and interesting BUT I turned what I really wanted into a track dedicated car. So I sold it and rebooted my ultimate goals. I am literally on my 5th build. My current 35th had very specific goals in mind. I listed them and stuck to them. To this day I haven't achieved what I believe is the original goal set. For example, I had delrin bushings, hated them removed them and went partial poly and stock. I had addco front rear sway bars. Hated them removed them and back to stock. I'm on my second set of pistons and rings. The motor has been apart 3 times since that build. The intercooler has been revamped 4 times. I'm not kidding 4 times. Guess what I don't even have one at all now straight methanol. Someone has already said it the car is never really done. Just upgraded from time to time. Since you listed some gripes on your car here is my current list.

    Passenger window goes down really slow.
    Driver door has a rattle inside. (I have searched and searched)
    My rear main seal has a small leak (~~~~ to change.)
    My AC while it works barely keeps up in south Florida.
    My Pass headlight fogs up on the inside.
    I have a driveline vibration that I cannot locate. Nothing terrible but I know its there.
    Exhaust is WAY WAY too loud.
    My 5 year old paint job has chips everywhere.
    I have trim that needs touched up on the inside.
    Somehow I have a scratch in the paint on my truck deck lid.
    The car still wont run 11.5. Closest I have achieved is 11.8
    I seriously hate the way the transmission shifts. Needs reprogrammed. Would take a day or so with help.
    Car needs a serious under hood detail.
    My K-member has dents, creases, from a pulley flying off.
    My in-tank pump doesn't push the fuel it should for some reason so a boost a pump was added.
    The list never ends.

    Ohh and my current 35th has been on 3 different trailers going home from various events. Never fun, always embarrassing, and then the dreaded rebuild revamp. I even put it in TIME-OUT I was so pissed for over 9 months.

    Most know I recently relocated to South Florida. I had to move the SC to Florida. I could of shipped it could of towed it but instead I drove it. 1900 miles. For the most part I had a great drive. My only issue was the AC wasn't charged before I went. I got 19MPG and even found some of the issues I had been searching to repair. That drive alone really made me appreciate the SC again. It's a big luxury/sport car. Every time I stopped for gas I got at least 2-3 compliments and questions on what is that. Every time I drive it here in S FL I get compliments. That alone is worth keeping it to me. When hurricane IRMA came my daily was sitting in an airport Parking lot. Guess what me and the WIFE drove it all over town getting the supplies we needed before the hurricane hit. I got 3-4 compliments that day.

    Most of us build the SC because we WANT something different. We DON'T want to follow the mustang crowd. We pride ourselves in being maybe slightly off kilter doing something different. It's much more of a challenge that just buying some parts off the shelf. I have always prided myself in trying something different. Now I'm just stepping back and enjoying what I have and tackling the little things one by one when I have time.

    Don't' give up we're are all here to help.

    Cheers,
    Chris
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    You know it has to be the case for almost everyone - but the cars that are clean, have a nice paint job, fast, etc...I always used to assume that everything worked on them (power windows, A/C - if so equipped, etc).

    Makes me feel a little better about the mechanical condition of my car, knowing you guys struggle too. Believe it or not, mine drives and rides ALOT better than it looks...lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wzenheimer View Post
    Ricardo,



    Cheers,
    Chris
    Thank you Chris, you are definitely one of the few that didn't coast right by, although you probably had better resources and skills than me. I appreciate putting things into perspective. And it does help hearing from others and similar situations, cause from pictures (FB etc) it seem everyone is having a good old time and cars look nice and shiny and complete. At the same time, I feel bad for all of us and a little dumb that we are subject to this abuse, and it defies logic that chose to accept it. You guys call it 25YO car, but to me the care is 19 Years YO since I parked it 6-7 years ago after taking off the Auto rotor and dealt with life hitting me in the face with a divorce a few years after. Now my life is stupid busy working day and night trying to maintain two households, thank you Massachusetts for terrible laws that don't protect the dads, time and money are not what it was like. I get weekends to enjoy the fun cars or the few days off here. The mustang has spoiled me, but that was my life saver when I felt down, it was my escape. I used the equity from the sell of broken home, to reclaim my independence and boost my ego and also to show the kids that dad was ok. I built many memories in the mustang and had just as much fund as when I had the SC up and running, Best of all I didn't have to get my fingers dirty, I simply asked the kids if they wanted to get Ice Cream and off we went. I bought the supercharger kit for it and sat on it for two years because I could not find the time or money to gather the final parts, but with some motivation and extra hours I did it. I still have not tracked it or gotten a dyno for it, but I really don't care, its pointless to do so there is no recognition for it, but I am satisfied to just feel the power and speed and I know I can likely keep up with hellcats and all the new Detroit junk, this is what the SC in its time strived to do, the under dog/sleeper against the new stuff.

    I never did forget about the blue car it was always in my mind and this roller 35th that is taking up space in the garage is in my mind as well. And I guess I built this high expectation for the car looking at pictures, awards and seeing you guys have a gay old time, and after spending some time one it I realized it doesn't fit the lifestyle I have now, if its going to constantly be having issues and the ride wont be enjoyable. Now I am stuck with too many cars that I emotionally cannot see my self letting go but have little room to be in my life, I only have one butt after all.

    I could put an ad to buy parts and fix what I needs addressed but its to much to right for me I need to step back and think it through.
    I want 89 sway bars, rubber motor mounts, rubber carrier bushings even want to get rid of the Tube K-member the I would be happy with a semi factory riding car that runs 12 vs a big stiff block that dips into the 11s
    But I might have regrets I am conflicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrFishbone View Post
    You know it has to be the case for almost everyone - but the cars that are clean, have a nice paint job, fast, etc...I always used to assume that everything worked on them (power windows, A/C - if so equipped, etc).

    Makes me feel a little better about the mechanical condition of my car, knowing you guys struggle too. Believe it or not, mine drives and rides ALOT better than it looks...lol!
    Haha trued that I just posted and beat me to it.

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    And to be completely honest Im still not happy with everything. But I am really happy that I have something different from the normal. Even SC normal.

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    here is what I did and it works...

    Back in 1990 I got my first S.C. and have kept it stock, right down to the air system. I drive that car during the summer months and it is a blast to drive. In 1991 I picked up another car a 35th that was for playing with.. I did a lot of the things everyone else did and was not happy with the small pick up, so I went to the dark side... I dropped in a big block and started to make it crazy.I found out that you had to make other changes with the car and I did them. The car became a bit of a pain to drive when it got hot out side. Then I ran into orther things that we all do and one by one I worked thru them.
    BUT the fun part of this is I always had that stocker to drive around.. it is fast, but not too fast. It does get good gas mileage, but will not beat a gt mustang...bummer. The air works fine but again it is a stocker..
    Now it is the best of both worlds.... I got a stocker to drive as an everyday car, but if I want to go fast I just grab the other car... So you could say I can have my cake and eat it as well.. Life is always filled with choices and what we make from those choices is what makes each of us the same or different....
    Good luck with your issues and you will be fine... Keep the S.C. for a fun car and drive something else for the daily duty that we all need....Rich
    Too many cars,too little time to drive them. Anything less than 500 cubes is a small block. If you slow down in life you will get run over..

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    Hahaha, all these posts of make sure you drive the car once in a while. The SC has been my daily driver for the past 7+ years, had it in the snow every winter. Thank God it is bone stock. I don't think I'm officially in anyone's "support group" but I can say the more you drive it, the less you notice the "problems" it has.

    I drove my wife's 2010 escape off into the uintas to backpack in and climb some 13,000 foot peaks for a weeklong getaway one summer. That Monday when I got back into the SC to drive it to work I noticed a crazy punchy accelerator pedal, awful road noise, vibrations, underhood heat, blah, blah, blah. A week later of daily driving, all I noticed was the crazy punchy accelerator feel and a smile on my face.

    It also helps when it is your daily driver because, you have a weekend to put on any parts you want for maintenance, and then it MUST be back on the road. Another perk of the daily-driver member's-benefits package.

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