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  1. #61
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    Any idiot can make a Mustang fast...
    It takes a special idiot to make a Thunderbird fast!!!
    89 SC 4.3 stroker 384rwhp 473ftlbs
    Best ET 13.085 Best MPH 106.6... got some work to do!
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    Looks awesome. It's going to be close for clearance.

    I know you got a deal on the intake but I'm wondering if something like this wouldn't be a better choice: https://www.trickflow.com/parts/tfs-515u1108

    The price on just the upper that should mate with your existing lower isn't too bad from what I saw on eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaddMartigan93 View Post
    Looks awesome. It's going to be close for clearance.

    I know you got a deal on the intake but I'm wondering if something like this wouldn't be a better choice: https://www.trickflow.com/parts/tfs-515u1108

    The price on just the upper that should mate with your existing lower isn't too bad from what I saw on eBay.
    If I am not mistaken, the box intake is actually taller than what I have now.
    Any idiot can make a Mustang fast...
    It takes a special idiot to make a Thunderbird fast!!!
    89 SC 4.3 stroker 384rwhp 473ftlbs
    Best ET 13.085 Best MPH 106.6... got some work to do!
    2016 V6 M90 Dyno Champ 2016 Mod 1 Runner Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by dthompson View Post
    If I am not mistaken, the box intake is actually taller than what I have now.
    OK. I couldn't find any dimensions but the general thought was that since it doesn't need to clear the valve covers other than allowing room for the throttle body, it wouldn't be quite as tall.

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    A couple of folks have mentioned to me about using the trick flow box intake so i wanted to share my research here for future reference in case anyone cares to use this thread in the future...

    If you buy a 351 out of a truck or van, plan on buying a mustang 5.0 fuel rail and replacing the rubber sections to make it fit a 351 or spending some serious money on aftermarket fuel rails... which are really expensive for some reason. The truck fuel rails do not work with the traditional style trickflow SBF intake manifolds because the FRP is on the wrong side. If you start with a 5.0 bird, im guessing those rails should work if the FPR is on the passenger side.

    • Trickflow EFI Box R intake 90mm TB opening = 12.75" tall, new $798
    • Trickflow EFI R intake 70/90mm TB opening = 11.5" tall, new $795 I found a new one that somebody changed their mind on and got it for $600
    • Holley High Ram AIR intake 95/105mm TB opening 11.41"* requires a low profile distributor. new $769 but includes fuel rails. holley's low profile distributor is $450
    • Trickflow EFI R carb style intake = 6.45" plus an elbow like made by edelbrock...PN:3847 at 3.62", or PN:3848 at 5.04", or PN:3849 at 7.75" which would add up to 10.07"*tall, or 11.49" tall, or 14.2" tall. *I dont think the short one will work due to distributor/valve cover clearance. new $556 for both lower and elbow, but will require aftermarket fuel rails.
    • The Ford Lightning lower intakes are going for over $600 each right now and then you still have to find an upper. I could not find a height listed anywhere, but they are so sought after, its not a good deal and I bet it still requires an aftermarket hood.
    • Trickflow EFI R carb style intake = 6.45" plus fabricate your own elbow like was done on David Neiberts 347 motor


    So the intake I chose is tall, but in line with all the other aftermarket options. The price I got is fair IMO. Im not sure that the larger 90mm+ TBs are required to make the power I am looking to make with a turbo. There is that article on the internet and some guys make 1000+hp with a junkyard 351 that had a 75mm TB and a turbo.

    I think with some of the measurements from folks have helped me out with on Facebook, the Cobra R hood will be OK. I went ahead and ordered it this week and should be here by the end of April. I wasnt able to get a lot done on the car this weekend, but I have started looking at the wiring changes and I installed the flywheel and clutch. The flywheel is a 164 tooth 28oz imbalance from ford racing. Its sfi approved. The clutch is the same CF DF clutch that had before. I have a love-hate relationship with that clutch.

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    Any idiot can make a Mustang fast...
    It takes a special idiot to make a Thunderbird fast!!!
    89 SC 4.3 stroker 384rwhp 473ftlbs
    Best ET 13.085 Best MPH 106.6... got some work to do!
    2016 V6 M90 Dyno Champ 2016 Mod 1 Runner Up

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    Its been a tough week. We had to say goodbye to our 18.5 year old cat this week, which was really hard on me and the wife. Now im fighting off a cold, which left me worthless for a day and a half. But, I did manage to get one thing done this weekend and that is wiring up the EEC relay. There are a few wiring changes that need to be done to make the swap happen, and this is probably the biggest one. Im not going to post too much about the specifics here, as Dave Dalke (SCUinc) has documented this pretty well and copyrighted the information. I will say that for any non-paying members that read this thread, there is a great resource of wiring diagrams available on the members only portion of the site... way better schematics than the EVTM. I did some double checking and tracing of the schematic to make sure I understood what was going on. The SC uses the IRCM to power the EEC, and the 5.0 uses a relay in the main power distribution box. So I wired up a 40 amp relay using the wiring diagrams and DD's documentation and hid the relay in the power distribution box. I swapped out a connector on the 5.0 harness and and all that is left is to re-wrap the harness in electrical tape.

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    Any idiot can make a Mustang fast...
    It takes a special idiot to make a Thunderbird fast!!!
    89 SC 4.3 stroker 384rwhp 473ftlbs
    Best ET 13.085 Best MPH 106.6... got some work to do!
    2016 V6 M90 Dyno Champ 2016 Mod 1 Runner Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by dthompson View Post
    Its been a tough week. We had to say goodbye to our 18.5 year old cat this week, which was really hard on me and the wife. Now im fighting off a cold, which left me worthless for a day and a half. But, I did manage to get one thing done this weekend and that is wiring up the EEC relay. There are a few wiring changes that need to be done to make the swap happen, and this is probably the biggest one. Im not going to post too much about the specifics here, as Dave Dalke (SCUinc) has documented this pretty well and copyrighted the information. I will say that for any non-paying members that read this thread, there is a great resource of wiring diagrams available on the members only portion of the site... way better schematics than the EVTM. I did some double checking and tracing of the schematic to make sure I understood what was going on. The SC uses the IRCM to power the EEC, and the 5.0 uses a relay in the main power distribution box. So I wired up a 40 amp relay using the wiring diagrams and DD's documentation and hid the relay in the power distribution box. I swapped out a connector on the 5.0 harness and and all that is left is to re-wrap the harness in electrical tape.
    Which ECM did you decide to use for this?

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    The EEC is from a 92 Thunderbird 5.0 and matching eec/engine harness.
    Last edited by dthompson; 04-16-2018 at 08:07 AM.
    Any idiot can make a Mustang fast...
    It takes a special idiot to make a Thunderbird fast!!!
    89 SC 4.3 stroker 384rwhp 473ftlbs
    Best ET 13.085 Best MPH 106.6... got some work to do!
    2016 V6 M90 Dyno Champ 2016 Mod 1 Runner Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by dthompson View Post
    The EEC is from a 92 Thunderbird 5.0 and matching eec/engine harness.
    Cool. What tuning solution are you planning to use?

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    The QH and BE that I already had with my last set up. I had to purchase a different strategy file to match the new EEC. It is gsalc from sailorbob to match the L1C catch code.
    Any idiot can make a Mustang fast...
    It takes a special idiot to make a Thunderbird fast!!!
    89 SC 4.3 stroker 384rwhp 473ftlbs
    Best ET 13.085 Best MPH 106.6... got some work to do!
    2016 V6 M90 Dyno Champ 2016 Mod 1 Runner Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by dthompson View Post
    The QH and BE that I already had with my last set up. I had to purchase a different strategy file to match the new EEC. It is gsalc from sailorbob to match the L1C catch code.
    Very cool. Sounds like you have everything very much in order. I can't wait to see how it all turns out. Nice work.

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    Looking good Derek!
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