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    Quote Originally Posted by pro street rich View Post
    First off I want to thank everyone for starting to get behind this plan. The big question I have is do we keep the name going or go with the mid west bash? I am open to either idea. Next thing is there a time of the year that works better for everyone? I think that if we stay in the fall we may want to move it up just a bit as it does get cold around here sooner. this morning it was 34 and SNOW was falling in some places.... Just want to get all this out there for everyone to please add their input.... So please chime in here please... One side note I do NOT go on face book to post as a rule so lets talk here. That will work best for me......Rich
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    shoot out

    Quote Originally Posted by davec73 View Post
    Its not in the midwest really so I would go with something else lol.
    I am fine with the name shoot out. I just want to keep this thing going. This is a great way for all of us to get together and spend some great time together....Rich
    Too many cars,too little time to drive them. Anything less than 500 cubes is a small block. If you slow down in life you will get run over..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pro street rich View Post
    The last people killed at the track were from a shooting last year. the last driver was in a jet car in I think 1989, the only other guy was a photo guy who was not where he belonged, that was a bunch of years ago as well.. The track has had a great record from all the racing that goes on there....Rich
    Oh I totally forgot about the shooting thing. That is probably why I said there was an accident there. But the accident I was talking about actually happened at Byron Dragway in June 2017. That dragstrip is the one that was being very strict since then. Sorry about that mix up.

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    Here's my thoughts.

    Let's go back to the simplicity of the first SC Shootout.

    Mountain Park Dragway KY
    Sunday Racing
    SCCoA Donation
    Minimum of 10 Racers/Spectators paying a $200 flat fee
    Fee must by paid by X date
    No trophies
    Hotel and meals are on yourself
    T-Shirts are extra

    Nothing wrong with Rich's event or going in that direction. This is just an alternative and gives the racers a rented track all to themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nettlesd View Post
    Here's my thoughts.

    Let's go back to the simplicity of the first SC Shootout.

    Mountain Park Dragway KY
    Sunday Racing
    SCCoA Donation
    Minimum of 10 Racers/Spectators paying a $200 flat fee
    Fee must by paid by X date
    No trophies
    Hotel and meals are on yourself
    T-Shirts are extra

    Nothing wrong with Rich's event or going in that direction. This is just an alternative and gives the racers a rented track all to themselves.
    I think we would be better off joining with another groups track rental. 10 cars is likely all we would get and not worth renting the track for. Not to mention its pretty lame to race yourself the whole time you are there. Anything less than 100 cars is not at all crowded at a facility like that.
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    you guys work it out.

    my plan is simple and it gives us the room to move in any way we want. we are at a track that would be running other stuff, BUT when we want to run our group we get the track ALL to our own. During the other times there would be racing going on and if we want to pick someone to try we can. The idea is simple, cost friendly, and workable. Sur it is in wis, but hell it is a plan that can work and it would be a lot less money to put on...
    Let me know what you all come up with and if you want to go another way then I will just do something up here and see how it plays out....rich
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    Would love to see this move a little more East. 15+hr 1k miles wasn't always in the cards from a timing perspective for myself going to Clay City. Now with the location potentially in WI, that really narrows down the possibility (this would be 17hr, 1,200miles for me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastsc92 View Post
    Would love to see this move a little more East. 15+hr 1k miles wasn't always in the cards from a timing perspective for myself going to Clay City. Now with the location potentially in WI, that really narrows down the possibility (this would be 17hr, 1,200miles for me).
    I'm not sure if you looked at an actual route but the location is in SE WI.....I don't think the drive is any further for me from CT than KY was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCrazy View Post
    I'm not sure if you looked at an actual route but the location is in SE WI.....I don't think the drive is any further for me from CT than KY was.
    I tossed it quickly in google. Either way, it's a long journey. That being said, obviously the shootout can't cater to everyone's location but figured I'd chime in to express what would make it more attractive to me to attend.

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    I vote for doing the Midwest Bash hosted by Rich up in WI, and drop the SC Shootout name.

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    if this is the choice..

    Quote Originally Posted by David Neibert View Post
    I vote for doing the Midwest Bash hosted by Rich up in WI, and drop the SC Shootout name.

    David
    I will go with the flow... The name is just that.. The most important part of this is to put on a great show for everyone to enjoy. We have a place to cruise to, we have a dyno, and a race track that will work with us.. these are all important things and now I will get to work on filling out the rest of the weekend... Ask if you have anything you need to know and lets make this another GREAT event for ALL of us.. let us put aside all the other issues and make this something that will last for some time... So how about it?? does anyone have anything they want to add?? or take out?? Please let me know....Rich
    Too many cars,too little time to drive them. Anything less than 500 cubes is a small block. If you slow down in life you will get run over..

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    I've always been good with Rich's event so I wasn't trying to say go my way instead of Rich's. I do think that if SCCoA is still offering a donation then we should try to work with that while it's available. That's why I purposed what I purposed. Keep the SCCoA donation and keep the track rental.

    I'm just speaking for myself but if I had to choose, I would rather pay $200 and have unlimited track access then pay $20-$50 and race when that time comes. I understand that others may not feel that way and that's ok.

    Nothing wrong with either option so we'll just go with what people want to do.
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    The future of the SC Shootout through my eyes.
    I don’t have much skin in the shootout game, but let me give you my .02 cents. I am not the guy that went to every single one of them, a lot of times it was because I did not have a SC that was ready, but I am also not the guy that that missed it every year. But an important note is, I was either number 1st in long distance recognition or second. But this is coming from a guy that drives his SC to the events, and have broken down on every other Carlisle show trip. With that said, what motivated me the most to attend? To me, one, it was a chance to level the playing field. Throughout the year most people did modifications and ran their cars locally and provided their results. But only to be faced with scepticism from fellow members, things like elevation, track prep, humidity, dyno calibrations (corrected or uncorrected) (Mustang vs dyno jet) etcetera. Second reason was showing off my junk, when ready and had something new or exciting to talk about, otherwise I was not interested. Last although important, the company meaning seeing the club members we BSd with over the year. But in reality I was never able to get to get to the level needed to stay competitive, drag racing has never been my priority for my car and although I like going quick and fast, the thought of buying a trailer, safety gear buying slicks/line locks has always been second priority. But I raced, and chanced failure, 16 hours from home, just to say I did it, comparing MPH with the best of them. 60fts, reaction times, launching that’s all grass roots racing which I was never a part of in my neck of the woods, but I conformed, for the sake of competing ran it and changed it and in the end had good time. But fast forward now, our cars got old and expensive to fix and with limited parts availability. I can’t be doing the things I did when the cars were 10 years old, some are now 30yo, we can’t just walk into an AutoZone and send it. It requires to be fully ready, own a trailer most times and become a semi-professional track racer, Jacob excluded. The fire at last year’s shootout made me realize that “anything” can happen and it’s simply not worth it subjecting the car to the abuse 16 hours away from home, couple that with insurance not paying out during competitive events and one can see how the format of the event becomes less attractive. I do agree that any type of competition will be fun and will abuse the car one way or another but I almost feel that those semi-professional SC owners have now become a handful and more owners have fallen into my dilemma. As it becomes expensive to soup up an SC, you can see the young/new owner are just trying to maintain and keep their classic car running, the idea of modifying their cars is nice but it’s simply not priority when you have harmonic balancers breaking, DIS and ignitions failing, and shot paints and rotted lower quarter panels. There is only so much a new set of chrome speedstars can do to a car with sun baked paint job. So to me it’s no surprise that competition among ourselves is in now in the rear-view. I commend those that want to keep it going, but the ¼Mile racing format IMO has run its course if only among us. Extending the invitation to other clubs and models would be starting the event from scratch, but as time goes by you will see polarization of the cars, semi-professionals against stock hellcats or supercharged v8 birds or are the turbo SC going to step it up and save the day? And what about the 14-13s super coupe guys? and who will those be running against what a 13s stock Camry?
    All this brings me to my next point. For me to get excited it has to be a larger event similar to Carlisle Fords Nationals and include things like dyno competition and also not so hardcore competitions like ½ mile racing on street tires etc. or a larger autocross/road course event, and while the real car show cars will stay away from these competitions, it is friendly for the average Joe to have fun with their semi stock sc.
    As an alternative the Epic Drive might need to evolve into just that, because most classic cars eventually fall into the rally or car show event type category so the owners have a relaxing and enjoyable time when attending. $.02
    I hope the influential people can put something together but those are my thoughts.

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    Hi Josh here (Coyote swapped Tbird on FB),

    I'm mostly on Facebook so I rarely visit the forums anymore. I wish I could have made it to the past Shootouts but work, military and family events always seem to take precedence. I made it to the 2007 and 2011 Shootouts and had a blast. Never got a trophy but just being there and enjoying seeing MN12's and FN10's and talking to other owners is the biggest trophy award. I really hope we can make something work for the future. That being said, I'm in Milwaukee too. Rich if you need help with anything to organize another Mid-West Bash or some sort of Shootout please let me know, you have my number. Your family and Scott have always been friendly and more than accommodating in the past.

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    hey Josh

    Glad to here from you on this. Yes I would be more than happy to work with you. I have already talked with the dyno guy as well as the race track. The thing I have to do is pick a date that will work for everyone. I am thinking something in sept for a date but that is still open. I am hoping for some input from others as to the best time and then we can get this all put together. I already got a couple of hotels willing to work with us as well. So lets see what we can put together here and like I said, I would really like to hear from some others in the sccoa group....Rich
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