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    Any Intrest in Custom Aluminum Rads?

    Title says it all. List what you would be interested in, stock type bigger if you run FMIC etc.

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    I'm due!

    As seen in my overheating problems, I am due for a new radiator now Mike! But....
    How much???
    What will I have to modify to make it fit?
    How much better than stock? (4 core?)

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    Oh Boy....Here we go again.

    Lots of interest from club members, none from the manufacturers.

    Mike, God Bless if you can get this done.
    Brian Oatway
    '94 SC 2.6KB C4 Auto
    9.956 @ 135.12 mph 1.364 60'
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    I would be interested if good quaility stuff at a good price. I quess just like everyone else!

    Mike Tuck
    Super XR7

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    Aluminum radiator......GOOOOD
    Old radiator.........BAAAAAD.

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    The parts are on the way. Fabrication should begin next week.
    I'll post more info on the progress when parts start coming in hopefully by mid week.

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    Sign me up as well if you can beat the $550 price on Griffins.

    When & how much is pretty important for me, as I'm just finishing up putting in a new motor right now.

    You could not have had better timing.

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    $550 price on Griffins
    That's much cheaper than they were just 6 months ago. I think they were asking $775 then.

    David
    1991 SC AOD 4.2..2.3 Whipple..........10.910 @ 125.61
    2016 SRT Challenger Hellcat...............707HP/650TQ

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    That's for the "Standard". Actually $515 for manual, or $540 for auto.

    For the "High Perf" it's $100 more. That one extra row makes a difference I guess.

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    There are some qeustions I can answer now so as to help some of you decide if your interested at all.

    Bob:As seen in my overheating problems, I am due for a new radiator now Mike! But....
    How much???
    What will I have to modify to make it fit?
    How much better than stock? (4 core?)

    As far as price goes I know its gonna be higher than a stock replacement, but my goal is to come in lower than the smaller Griffin. I'll know more about the price once I get things in hand. I just want to make sure whats coming is going to work first. I really dont beleive theres going to be a problem but just as sure as I open my mouth and commit myself on a price something will go wrong and I'll end up looking like crap so price is not set yet but I have stated my intentions. Modifications: No doubt about it, You cannot get a downflow core to the dimensions to exactaly copy the SC rad so I'm going with crossflow instead. This is going to cause you guy's with auto trannys to either use an external tranny cooler or if you must have a cooler in the rad you will have to cut your tranny lines close to the rad and use new lines from the ends of the cut lines to the new inrad cooler. This is not as big a deal as some may think. After making the cut the new tranny lines will bolt right in no problem they will be prebent and the appropriate fittings installed at each end by me. You will just bolt them right up just like with your stock rad and cooler only they will be in a diferent location, but will work just the same as stock. How much better tan stock?: Well for about 3 weeks now I've been talking to people that are using this rad, they range from street rodders to circle track racers(asphalt and dirt) Drag racers and guys with hot street cars with engines sizes from small blocks to big blocks and not 1 person yet has been disatisfied. Every person I talked to had nothing but praises for this rad. Some of the street rod guy's are runing big blocks with AC and they say theres no problem at all. I got to compaire a Griffin an AFCO and this rad side by side and theres no compairision. I'm more than satisfied that the rad can handle anything we throw at it. The quality of this rad just leaves the others in the dust.

    SC crazy:

    Oh Boy....Here we go again.

    Lots of interest from club members, none from the manufacturersYoure right about the manufacturers crazy, only 1 makes a rad for the SC. I'm not waiting anymore I'm gonna do what I have to do to have a reliable cooling system with plenty of reserve capacity. I'm not gonna risk all the work and money that I have put into my engine with one of those puny stock like rads.

    SuperXR7:
    I would be interested if good quaility stuff at a good price. I quess just like everyone else!

    Mike I'm not a salseman I'll tell you that flat out right now. I will let my work speak for its self. Once you see the finished product you can decide that for yourself.

    Irsudog:
    That's for the "Standard". Actually $515 for manual, or $540 for auto.

    For the "High Perf" it's $100 more. That one extra row makes a difference I guess.That standard Griffin is actualy 2 row 1" tube core. The High Perf model has a 2 row 11/4" tube core. The tube header plates on those rads are glued together. The rad I'm using has a furnace brazed core tubes, no glue anywere in these rads.

    I realize that I have not answered all qeustions but maybe this will help some of you decide if you are infact interested. I am doing this because I have to build one for myself and while I'm at it I can build more as well. Theres no problem at all if no one wants one. I just thought I'd offer since I was already going to the trouble to build my own anyway.
    I see a pretty healthy hit count on this thread. Dont be bashfull if you think you may be interested ask qeustions I'll answer everything that I have an answer for at this time. Later on in the week when I have rad in hand I will post pics of it and you can judge the quality for yourself.
    Thanks for the intrest expressed so far.

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    Absolutely interested. I really wanted to avoid the epoxied tanks on the Griffin, and recoring the stock rad with a 3 core Modeen core is only maybe 20% less then the price it sound like you're trying to hit.

    I'll keep checking back.

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    One or more for me probably.

    I own a few SCs and have serious problems in this TX heat. I will at least get one if it looks right. I run 5spds mostly. With one new radiator I can run it on a 100+ summer day on the road track and give it the real test. I only have one SC that can go 20 minutes on the track but then the AOD overheats after a few sessions. I need one for the 5spd cars to go 30 minutes pretty much wide open thottle in 107 weather. Presently I only get 15 minutes and have to take cool down laps. Is this a one time build? Or will you make more if I am staisfied with the first one? Griffen will make one with the very largest tube they told me a year ago or so. At the time that was slightly larger than what they offered to us at SCP etc. But I had to argue with the engineer that I wanted overcapacity for my HP. I just droped it and did other things.

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    RE: Radiator

    I just had Beko Radiator of Concord, CA. recore my 89 radiator with a heavy duty 3 row dimpled tube core. He did a beautiful job and charged me $150. If anyone is interested I'll try to dig up their e-mail address. GRClarke aka the SonySC@hotmail.com
    925-984-3785 cell.

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    Doug the rad I'm getting has been run on dirt tracks around here for a couple of years and I know most of those boys, every single one of them has told me there is no problem with this rad.
    They've all changed from Griffins and AFCO's because they tell me its that much better. Our weather around here 95% of the time during summer comes directly from your state of Texas so I know what your talking about. To me that is a good test of cooling system capacity, if it runs cool in Texas and similar climates then no one else should have any problems.
    As far as the looks go. Could you elaborate on that for me?
    I am interested in satisfying as many concerns that people have and would like to hear more from you on that.
    This would not be a one time thing and I am willing to work with anyone on any kind of custom arrangement that might better suite there needs. However I have absolutely no plans to turn this into a huge buisness that has the attitude "this is what I make take it or leave it" as is the case now. Since you are a racer I'm very interested in your input. I've said before that I have spoken to several racers about this rad and beleive that I have come up with the good basic building blocks of this cooling system. What I have in mind is not a 1 size fits all type thing. I am willing and can work with people on a one on one basis to better taylor the system to meet that individuals goals.
    Many options are available to me on this rad and I'll elaborate more on this later into the week. I think most people will be suprised at what can be done.
    I know there is alot of skeptsism out there about this subject because of the way the last rad deal went. That was no fault of the guy's that were trying to make it happen. They put alot work and effort into it but in the end the manufacturer said NO.
    So I'm tired of trying to get there cooporation on this and have just accepted the fact that they are not going to cater to us and work with what is available and known to work.
    ALL input from everyone that may be interested is welcomed and WANTED by me on this. Afterall I am a fellow SCer and plan to be for some time. My only true goal is to help end this problem we have with our cars, so let me hear it!

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    Mike I just looked on the Griffin web site and it has changed so I cannot see the specifics anymore. The tubes are oblonged as I recall and I wanted the most oblonged tube sized used. For the SC they use a tube a little less oblonged. They would have built it for me but I got sour with them and thought I would rather work with someone more willing. I wanted overcapacity for my HP because I did not want to buy a radiator just to try it. The engineer owned a N/A T-Bird and he was probably right in everything he told me but then we got into HP and you know I don't know what HP I will wind up with on this 95 when I get into it. Now for those that I V8 I am not worried as I won't have an IC in the way.

    Yea you sort of have to experience this heat. Actualy it is hotter on the track. There are no trees so we won't hit anything if we slide off. It is asphalt. I seem to make it out there between 2-5PM which is about the hottest part of the day. Even in winter I cannot get over 15 min starting with a cold engine. An hour later in a second session I have to do cool down laps 2 to 3 times which really brakes the concentration, and fun. I know I am a bit crazy for running a SC engine on a raod course but I like the cars is my only defense. I may not be as tall as Randy but the little cars worry me on head clearance in case of a roll over, even with a cage. You need some crush space before your neck gets rammed. ha.

    Well I can't wait to see it.

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