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  1. #226
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    Dave..

    I know many people that autocross and road race both mustangs and f bodies alike. However the basic unibody construction of the F body is plain crap..The quality was garbage as well untill the last day they were produced. Basically everything about the car was crap besides the fact the later model F bodies were quick. How many older F body cars do you see driving around?..Not many they fell apart... Tire sizes and no rear disc changed in the stang for the 94 model(93 Cobra). As a matter of fact the stangs were getting 17 inch rims while the F bodys were still stuck on 16's(which the stang started getting in 91)..The stang was always a better overall car which is what I had stated in the beginning..And with the introduction of the 94 and up model it no longer gave up handeling to the F body..Yes the F bodys had more HP..But not a better car

    I grew up in that same Fox body era being 32 myself..

    I guess I can later pull out some info to back up the handeling and braking info aspects of the fox 2 stangs but I dont have the time now....

    Suprised you never asked me why if F bodys were such junk I decieded to put a panhard in my stang and both a torque arm and panhard in my cougar:O)
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    My good friend Mark Madarash runs his 88 GTA in SCCA Solo II. He has won several national championships and is STILL in the top 3 with his Fbody ~~~. This is national competition in an extremely competitive class which permits only bolt on modifications to the cars. SCCA is very strict about that. This means that with a vintage 2nd Gen 5.7L (crap in your opinion) he not only runs with but usually beats all comers in the class. He is not the only one. There are other 2nd gen Fbodies doing extremely well in the class against late model Cobra's AND Cobra R's. I like this class because you are not permitted to alter the basic design of the car with chassis stiffening or modified engine internals, etc. A car running in ESP still reflects the basic charactor of the car it began life as.

    I don't really care about either one personally, but to say that the Mustang is better in any form other than the Cobra is just simply wrong. I'm not sure what Mark has or has not done to keep the unibody together on his, but he's been avidly autocrossing it for about 10 years.

    I take his experience way above my own because I worked with him and drove with him in his Mustang for many years. Knowing Mark, to have him switch from a Ford to a Chevy speaks volumes. What would it take to get you to try out a Chevy? A lot! Same for him. I couldn't believe he would have done that either but he said to me "How long am I going to keep banging my head against the wall?" He was not being recognized for what he could do because this car was holding him back. There are NO live axle Mustangs in the top of ESP. There is a reason for that.

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    Manny I think you forgot about the 427 Vettes, The 427 L88 Vettes, the Copo Camaro and Yenco SC Camaro. Most with between 500-600HP but factory rated at 450 for insurance.

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    ok

    Each manufacturer has had cars that had great horsepower and not so good handling. I think as Manny put it best, it all depends on what your needs are and what you want to get out of a vehicle. I myself would choose a Mustang over a Nightmaro simply because I'm a Ford person. Doesn't mean I think the Mustang is better and the Camaro is worse. Just my personal choice. I think when it comes down to the SRT-10 and the Lightning, it's the same thing. What your needs are in a truck and also what you can afford.

    So can we all get over this, 15-16 pages now. I think it's been over analyzed at this point. They are both fine trucks in their own right. Anybody want to discuss a 74 Mustang II Cobra vs. a 74 Nightmaro Z28???LOL!!!! Oh, I almost forgot, when dodge brought back the Challenger name plate in the late 70's for that disappointment of a car, they ruined the name at that point. GTO, Chevelle SS, could they be next????



    David

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    I didnt forget the copos and the others , the 69 hemi darts and barracudas beat them all,

    still to thios day the records are held by them , a hemi dart ran low tens from tyhe show room and with a little fine tunning and slicks ran very respectible times in the 8,s a canadian named
    Ray Barton can tell you all about it he has built the fastest of them all . and there is a guy in michigan driving a volarie with a blowen hemi turns sixes in the 1/4 steel body street car ,

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    Although a lot of people do not like the GTO styling, they stuck exactly to what the original GTO was. It was nothing more than a sedan with a big motor. The new GTO is nothing more than a plain sedan with a big motor. Everyone seems to think the old GTO was some amazing special built HOT ROD when it was nothing more than a car with a big motor. Same as it is today. They could have put the motor into the Grand Am and called it a GTO and it would still be the same.

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    Although that is not really a comparo. Those record holders were not licensed cars. They were factory race cars that could be bought off the show room floor with no vin numbers and modified wheel bases for racers only.

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    Well, there is a ton of folklore about what was fastest and when. Manny is right about one thing, the Hemi's were very fast. There are no less than 9 different Hemi models on the fastest 50 Musclecar list. None of them ran slower than a 13.7 either.

    But you are incorrect sir about the fasted recorded *stock* musclecar. It happens to be the 427 Shelby Cobra. 12.20 @ 118 for that bad boy.

    It also interesting to note that in stock trim a 440 Six Pack actually beat the Hemi on one occasion.

    It is also interesting to note that the only 2 small blocks on that list were the Boss 351 and a 327 Vette.

    Check it yourself here.

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    Thumbs up Car and Driver Video

    SOrry to bring this thread up again, but I thought that this video was pretty cool, and will let people see it in action and gather opinions. Peace.

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    http://www.infonozzle.com/psy/srt10.wmv

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