C&L sample tube & 60lb injectors

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Randy N Connie

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IS there a sample tube for a C&L 76MM MAF to match 60lb injectors?
And who would sell the best cheapest 60lb injectors .

I think I am close to out-growning my 42lb injectors.
Need to start shopping for my next round of mods.

THANKS RANDY
 
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Randy N Connie said:
IS there a sample tube for a C&L 76MM MAF to match 60lb injectors?
And who would sell the best cheapest 60lb injectors .

I think I am close to out-growning my 42lb injectors.
Need to start shopping for my next round of mods.

THANKS RANDY
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No, there isn't a sample tube that goes beyond 50lbs. You'd need to go up to an 80MM meter which will also require a 4" filter but it will fit your 3.5" MP intake system perfectly.

Either that or you could go with the new SCT MAF but it's more money and it only comes in black plastic. ;)
 
XR7 Dave said:
No, there isn't a sample tube that goes beyond 50lbs. You'd need to go up to an 80MM meter which will also require a 4" filter but it will fit your 3.5" MP intake system perfectly.

Either that or you could go with the new SCT MAF but it's more money and it only comes in black plastic. ;)
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Dave you don't think I'll need that 80mm meter right?
 
XR7 Dave said:
No, there isn't a sample tube that goes beyond 50lbs. You'd need to go up to an 80MM meter which will also require a 4" filter but it will fit your 3.5" MP intake system perfectly.

Either that or you could go with the new SCT MAF but it's more money and it only comes in black plastic. ;)
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PLASTIC!! AND BLACK.Next you will say that the SCT MAF is made in China.
I need a aluminum polished or chrome MAF. :)

Dave in your testing and tuning, what meter has worked the best?And
can this MAF be tuned to go with larger injectors than 60s.And will this
plastic withstand costic fuels?

Do you think C&L would machine the proper size sample tube for larger
size injector than 50s ?

Thanks Randy
 
Randy N Connie said:
PLASTIC!! AND BLACK.Next you will say that the SCT MAF is made in China.
I need a aluminum polished or chrome MAF. :)

Dave in your testing and tuning, what meter has worked the best?And
can this MAF be tuned to go with larger injectors than 60s.And will this
plastic withstand costic fuels?

Do you think C&L would machine the proper size sample tube for larger
size injector than 50s ?

Thanks Randy
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For the C&L, I'd just get the 80MM. It is cheap, you can polish it and it works well.

As for the SCT MAF, it is made by whoever makes the meters for Ford. Probably somewhere in Mexico. lol I hope you would not be running fuel through the MAF though, that would be a bad idea.

Both of these MAF's can be used with larger than 60lb injectors.
 
Wel try getting your 60lb injectors to work with an 80mm C&L on a 94.95 with no tuning AID..Wont happen. I dont think there is any bolt on Maf for that application on even an earlier car. Not to sure about the SCT MAF
 
DamonSlowpokeBaumann said:
Wel try getting your 60lb injectors to work with an 80mm C&L on a 94.95 with no tuning AID..Wont happen. I dont think there is any bolt on Maf for that application on even an earlier car. Not to sure about the SCT MAF
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So you're sayin that with 60lb injectors I can't use my 75mm C&L maf?
 
You can with tuning, but when the HP comes up, the meter will peg at around 400rwhp. The meter will only support the HP level that 50lb injectors would support which is the highest calibration for that meter.

The SCT meter requires tuning regardless.
 
Well I am not able to comunicate with SCT.In a way that they seem
to understand.To get a tune,Parts,prices on anything they have.

So I don't think that I would want to buy parts that I cannot get tuned.

Who would be or a place that I can buy a computor or stand alone system.
and the related parts that need to be tuned.

I am fully understanding why no big horse power can be made with
the 3.8 Ford motor.No one wants to work with us to go bigger that 400hp..
on the electrical end.

I am in over a year tring to get a tune for different parts.I have never
seen or ran into a problem this bad.

Thanks RANDY
 
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Randy N Connie said:
Well I am not able to comunicate with SCT.In a way that they seem
to understand.To get a tune,Parts,prices on anything they have.

So I don't think that I would want to buy parts that I cannot get tuned.

Who would be or a place that I can buy a computor or stand alone system.
and the related parts that need to be tuned.

I am fully understanding why no big horse power can be made with
the 3.8 Ford motor.No one wants to work with us to go bigger that 400hp..
on the electrical end.

I am in over a year tring to get a tune for different parts.I have never
seen or ran into a problem this bad.

Thanks RANDY
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carb it and run some nitro in it Randy. You know you want to. :)
 
Funny thing is I was just talking to my machinist today and he told me the same thing. "Put a carb on that thing and you will make some real power." LMAO

Randy, you are just getting introduced to the world of FI, it's not just SC's. I've seen many a Mustang tuner get in way over their heads as well and not only waste a lot of people's time but also cause the blowing up of some expensive stuff. You have to remember that we are pushing 2x the HP output of the stock system which was already supercharged, and in some cases 3-4x the NA power of these motors and more.

When you start talking to people with GN's and 5.0's who are making 600+HP you start hearing lots of stories about melted pistons, blown headgaskets, etc, and you see a lot of cars that run like dog dirt.

I think we are doing pretty well all things considered.
 
I am not just getting introduce to fuel injection.
I have 20 years being around it.Just not
the computer controlled EFI.

I can make two cylinder with 150 cid fuel injected motor pump out
700 TO 1000 hp.And use a belt driven pump and with jet changes.

I think we could be doing a lot better,I know we can make more power.
I believe we are purposly being held back with this 3.8 motor.
People that can help with tuning & the building of the right
electronic parts are simply not interested.And It has nothing
to do with money.There is no interrest in this V-6 area.

I have spent a lot of time and money to make well over 500 hp.
But its taken so long to get anyone to work with,and cost to much,
I am ready to move to another project.This is just senseless to throw
any more time or money away.I average close to $1000.00
a week spent on this project for some time now.I have to draw a
line some time and stop.I am having a hard time in justifing
spending another $2000.00 for tuning to get to just 400 hp.

I am willing to make the parts to go into the low 9s,but the eletronics
I am under the impression do not excist to do this.Or I am unable to
get hooked up with the people with this knowlage.I am not a know all
do all person.

I would love to have the chance to melt some pistons,but not at
400 hp level.And with staying in the supercharger design that
Ford layed down.

I wonder why I hear Coy Miller is moving to a different power unit.

Thanks Randy
 
Randy 1 option you have is 1 that Coy used as well.
There are several stand alone ECU systems out there that will more than handle what you can throw at it. The std argument against going that route is the cost of the system, but as you're learning by the time you buy the BAP, MAF and other needed parts to use the factory ECU I just dont see any price advantage to staying with Fords ECU.
You,I and 1 other person I can think of are pretty much in the same boat.
We have built Frankenstien SC's with parts made that Ford(nor anyone else) never dreamed of.
There is no way either of us are going to get our cars running right doing chips by mail order. Our engines are now flowing in ways either noone understands or believes.
What we are limited to is either learning Fords code so that we can purchase all the needed Software,computer(laptop and for you Windows), chip burner and all the associated hardware to do our own tunes.
We could also drive 100's of miles to get a dyno tune with someone that actualy knows what there doing. But as you've expressed in other threads that would get very old very quick because everytime you change something its "Road trip" again.
We could also go stand alone that way we arent limited by anything Ford done in there magic box.
I'm not sure what route I'll take yet but I do know that there's no sense in me wasteing my time and money trying mail order and like you the road trip option aint gonna be no help either.
 
Randy N Connie said:
IS there a sample tube for a C&L 76MM MAF to match 60lb injectors?
And who would sell the best cheapest 60lb injectors .

I think I am close to out-growning my 42lb injectors.
Need to start shopping for my next round of mods.

THANKS RANDY
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next round opf mods nitrous and go nuts get the biggest shot you can get get two shots go crazy hahaha i just want to see a tbird int he 10's if i could afford it i would
 
Thanks Mike,I am glad that someone understands what is going on.
I have two motors.The one in the car and another one to build up.
I have my heads for the built motor and some of the realated parts
finished over a year ago.Acording to my flow numbers,the heads should make good power.But you know numbers and real world is two different things.

I have not done the bottom end yet.All the shelf parts are to heavy,
So when I do buy the rods,pistons.I will need to machine the parts down
to lightin them up.I have not desided what to do with the crank,stock
or to make a new crank.I need to have a close idea on how the rods,
pistons weight will turn out first.The steig head motor will most likely
be a stock crank,the Perf-Tech motor will be billet.

In the end I had planed to have my street motor,in the car, and two built motors.One with steig heads and one with my heads.The steigs are
being built now.I plan to use the Steig heads for testing of parts.Then
use the RBs PERFORMANCE TECH motor for the final use.

I am use to working as part of a team to set goals in the past.
I am not a know all do all person. I need to find some one with
a race back ground with stand alone EC systems.Maybe GN
guys or rice-grinders people (That thought gives me shivers.)
could help toward my goals.Do You or anyone have some info web
sites to go to,for my learning curve,& to build a team? I am finding
FORD EC computer manufacture people are to hard to work with,
actualy they have no interrest in making a supercharge V-6 do any
thing,but take a trip to the junkyard.

When I started this project I thought my limits would be tied to how
much the IRS rear end would take.

I NEED HELP FOR SOME INFO FROM EVERYONE ON THE SCCoA BOARD.
I need to find people with a record setting background in drag racing.
That have used EC computers.Web sites would be a good starting place,
of racers,& DRAG RACERS ONLY.personal team sites would be good.
It does not matter what make car they are using.

David Dalke of SUPER COUPES UNLIMITED has been nice enough to
offer me help with tuning & obtaining some tuning tools.THANKS Dave.


My SCRocket,I have no interrest in using nitrous in a bottle.
This SCBIRD will get all its power from a fuel cell.If I am able
to continue with this project.

PS I am looking for one more block to work with.This will give me
three motor to work with.one I have in the car and two race engines.

Thanks Randy
 
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Randy N Connie said:
Thanks Mike,I am glad that someone understands what is going on.
I have two motors.The one in the car and another one to build up.
I have my heads for the built motor and some of the realated parts
finished over a year ago.Acording to my flow numbers,the heads should make good power.But you know numbers and real world is two different things.

I have not done the bottom end yet.All the shelf parts are to heavy,
So when I do buy the rods,pistons.I will need to machine the parts down
to lightin them up.I have not desided what to do with the crank,stock
or to make a new crank.I need to have a close idea on how the rods,
pistons weight will turn out first.The steig head motor will most likely
be a stock crank,the Perf-Tech motor will be billet.

In the end I had planed to have my street motor,in the car, and two built motors.One with steig heads and one with my heads.The steigs are
being built now.I plan to use the Steig heads for testing of parts.Then
use the RBs PERFORMANCE TECH motor for the final use.

I am use to working as part of a team to set goals in the past.
I am not a know all do all person. I need to find some one with
a race back ground with stand alone EC systems.Maybe GN
guys or rice-grinders people (That thought gives me shivers.)
could help toward my goals.Do You or anyone have some info web
sites to go to,for my learning curve,& to build a team? I am finding
FORD EC computer manufacture people are to hard to work with,
actualy they have no interrest in making a supercharge V-6 do any
thing,but take a trip to the junkyard.

When I started this project I thought my limits would be tied to how
much the IRS rear end would take.

I NEED HELP FOR SOME INFO FROM EVERYONE ON THE SCCoA BOARD.
I need to find people with a record setting background in drag racing.
That have used EC computers.Web sites would be a good starting place,
of racers,& DRAG RACERS ONLY.personal team sites would be good.
It does not matter what make car they are using.

David Dalke of SUPER COUPES UNLIMITED has been nice enough to
offer me help with tuning & obtaining some tuning tools.THANKS Dave.


My SCRocket,I have no interrest in using nitrous in a bottle.
This SCBIRD will get all its power from a fuel cell.If I am able
to continue with this project.

PS I am looking for one more block to work with.This will give me
three motor to work with.one I have in the car and two race engines.

Thanks Randy
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Randy,

At the shootout last year Coy Miller said if anyone was interestd in the stand alone system he is using (Electromotive I think) he could get it and tell you how to wire it up. That system can support all the power you care to make, or you could also convert the car to FAST or several others....there is no need for a MAF with either system because both will run with a speed density sensor.

There are several other companies making standalone engine managment systems, but no matter which one you go with there is still going to be a learning curve and the need to make changes using a computer. Here's a link from the Turbomustangs website that list most of the stuff out there.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/techarticles/ECUarticle.php

David
 
Actualy Randy the Motec I helped with on a ricer several years ago was much easier to work with than anything offered for the stock Ford computer even today. I'm no computer wiz myself but at least it was understandable and you did'nt have to know how to read computer codes.
That was several years ago and everything has gotten easier(even with the Ford ECU :rolleyes: ) to work with.
There are several stand alone units now with alot of versatility built in.
The Motec and others like it can be used on engines ranging from a single cylinder all the way up to a V12. You can also drive extra fuel injectors or injectors of different impedances. You would no longer have to use the stock Ford ignition modules either.
There is just so much more versatility built into a stand alone I just do not for the life of me understand why anyone other than Coy has done it.
I've gone back and forth on this idea myself as I originaly wanted to try and stay with as much stock stuff as was practical. But then there was a warning shot a few years ago of NO ignition modules for the SC available and that really got my attention. I'm just soooo tired of cheap assed cheesy parts being sold nowadays that I'm really looking hard at a stand alone again.
But then there's so many options out there now I will have to do more homework before jumping off that bridge.
 
Randy N Connie said:
Well I am not able to comunicate with SCT.In a way that they seem
to understand.To get a tune,Parts,prices on anything they have.

So I don't think that I would want to buy parts that I cannot get tuned.

Who would be or a place that I can buy a computor or stand alone system.
and the related parts that need to be tuned.

I am fully understanding why no big horse power can be made with
the 3.8 Ford motor.No one wants to work with us to go bigger that 400hp..
on the electrical end.

I am in over a year tring to get a tune for different parts.I have never
seen or ran into a problem this bad.

Thanks RANDY
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Look at Electromotive's TEC 3r www.getfuelinjected.com
 
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