highest HP stock block SC

DamonSlowpokeBaumann said:
A 30 over piston will raise the compression slightly and in some instances (not sure about the SC) will help unshroud the valves. I would not consider a 30 over motor stock regardless of parts used for just that reason.

I think where this convo has gone of course is that there is a LOT MORE WORK involved when a motor comes out. For most, removing a motor or even heads is not an option as they cant afford teh downtime or just arnt mechanically inclined to that degree. Bolting on a blower, injectors, tb, mass air, ect ect ect is for the most part the first step and relatively easy. You need to of course set a goal in mind before starting any of this.

If I had a blown motor. I would build a great longblock and ad bolt ons later as I can afford. If my longblock is fine I would start with boltons untill I had an issue with my longblock. The reality is that people are NOT, for the most part, going to rip apart thier perfectly runnning motor. Semi hardcore people with the means will however do heads/cam ect. Very few will go down into the shortblock unless needbe.

In the end bolt ons will always be king and its up to us to find out the perfect combination of those for the average SC'r. Who wouldnt want to know just how much power in stock form can be made. Hell look at the 03-04 Cobra owners....

Back to Randys post. We should start to collect data to help those that dont have the means to touch thier shortblock or in most cases longblock. Maybe we can make a list of mods and hp for the good of everyone. It may not be perfect but its a start. I'd be more then willing to put this data together

I just did bolt-on's because my motor was and is in good shape.
I see no sence in throwing away a good running motor.Plus I
have had a learning curve to go though after buying this car.


And I have stayed with the stock motor,just to see if some of the
E.T.s and RWHP numbers are true that have been listed on the board.
I beleive a lot of them to not be true.

I would like to get back on a dyno,before I pull this motor..
And see what new numbers I may be able to come up with
my boost leak fixed. The 280 rwhp pull was done with 10%
OD blower pulley.I have a 15% OD but only did a dyno pulls
later with 20%OD after the 10% OD try. With the boost leak
fixed,We were able to take .450 seconds off are ET at the track.
This was after David D. retuned my car at 2:00 am in the morning
of the shootout day.I don't know how much .450sec in less E.T in
RWHP it takes to take this much time off with a 3800lb car..

I would like to add that the only one thing that is not stock inside
my OME motor is a 5 angle valve job.every thing else is
the same as the day it came from the Ford factory.

This answer is for another post I made on how much gain I got
from swapping a MPII to a MPIII. I gained 30 rwhp by bolting
on a MPIII. This was with no other part changes made.Same
tune,same over drive pulley.But with a boost leak. So I think
it safe to say that by bolting on a MPIII from a MPII anyone
should be able to pick up a minumin of 30 rwhp.

From my testing of MP products,When I bolted on a MPII I gained
27.9 rwhp.So with my test results,I would of picked up a total
of 57.9 rwhp going from a early M90 blower to a MPIII with
10% od.

Besides picking up 57.9 rwhp over a stock M90. I was able to
get first place in my class at the shootout.And I have not
seen anyone list over 280 rwhp dyno numbers with stock motor,
with M90 blower case.That they still own to prove by way of
tech tare down that they have made over this dyno number.

Thanks Randy
 
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Well my 288rwhp was nothing spectacular & there's no need to prove anything. It's a low rwhp number now-a-day's anyway. Which would make it silly to fib about.

And I have not seen anyone list over 280 rwhp dyno numbers with stock motor,
with M90 blower case. That they still own to prove by way of
tech tare down that they have made over this dyno number.

That sounds silly. ... Pre-300 is so 2+Years Ago Man. :p Get Over It~! Stop Living In The Past Man! Start Playing Catch Up! :D

Anthony
 
For all of the nit pickers out there.When I change my head gaskets
I over torqued my head bolts to crush the head gaskets for more
compression.:p :)

Randy
 
And I have not
seen anyone list over 280 rwhp dyno numbers with stock motor,
with M90 blower case.That they still own to prove by way of
tech tare down that they have made over this dyno number.

Randy,

That is why I estimated 275 rwhp for your combo. Maybe you are making more now. With 300 rwhp the car should be running low 13s/high 12s. Why don't you wait until spring and take it to the track. The quickest all bolt on M90 based SC I've heard about was running right about 13.3, so you should be able to beat that and become the new Bolt-On King.

David
 
Randy N Connie said:
I just did bolt-on's because my motor was and is in good shape.
I see no sence in throwing away a good running motor.Plus I
have had a learning curve to go though after buying this car.


And I have stayed with the stock motor,just to see if some of the
E.T.s and RWHP numbers are true that have been listed on the board.
I beleive a lot of them to not be true.

I would like to get back on a dyno,before I pull this motor..
And see what new numbers I may be able to come up with
my boost leak fixed. The 280 rwhp pull was done with 10%
OD blower pulley.I have a 15% OD but only did a dyno pulls
later with 20%OD after the 10% OD try. With the boost leak
fixed,We were able to take .450 seconds off are ET at the track.
This was after David D. retuned my car at 2:00 am in the morning
of the shootout day.I don't know how much .450sec in less E.T in
RWHP it takes to take this much time off with boost leak fixed.

I would like to add that the only one thing that is not stock inside
my OME motor is a 5 angle valve job.every thing else is
the same as the day it came from the Ford factory.

This answer is for another post I made on how much gain I got
from swapping a MPII to a MPIII. I gained 30 rwhp by bolting
on a MPIII. This was with no other part changes made.Same
tune,same over drive pulley.But with a boost leak. So I think
it safe to say that by bolting on a MPIII from a MPII anyone
should be able to pick up a minumin of 30 rwhp.

From my testing of MP products,When I bolted on a MPII I gained
27.9 rwhp.So with my test results,I would of picked up a total
of 57.9 rwhp going from a early M90 blower to a MPIII with
10% od.

Besides picking up 57.9 rwhp over a stock M90. I was able to
get first place in my class at the shootout.And I have not
seen anyone list over 280 rwhp dyno numbers with stock motor,
with M90 blower case.That they still own to prove by way of
tech tare down that they have made over this dyno number.

Thanks Randy

Hey Randy, What was your MPH with the Boost leak and MPH after fixing it?

We can get an estimated hp gain from those numbers with the HP calculator.

BTW, 30hp increase was what we saw here on the dyno going from a MPII to a MPIII running the same overdrive ratio and another 15hp when the overdrive ratio is increased by 5% on a motor with heads and cam. I am pleased to see you are getting the same great results with your stock long block!


Charles
 
SilverCasket said:
Well my 288rwhp was nothing spectacular & there's no need to prove anything. It's a low rwhp number now-a-day's anyway. Which would make it silly to fib about.



That sounds silly. ... Pre-300 is so 2+Years Ago Man. :p Get Over It~! Stop Living In The Past Man! Start Playing Catch Up! :D

Anthony

Don't get your panties in a bind.I have time on my hands today
and nothing better to do,So I am just stirring the pot a little
with a few..

I suppose Next your going to call me jim D. living in the past.
 
I believe the quickest bolt on car ever ran 13.0 @ 103mph, nitrous or otherwise. I think that with Charles' claims that the MPIII makes more average and therefore useable HP than an AR, that it is time to stop handicapping discussions on the limitations of the stock SC motor to just modified versions of the M90.

Charles is convinced that a properly modified and tuned M90 can run better than an AR. Lets play fair here. 13.0 @ 103. Beat that. :)
 
XR7 Dave said:
Charles is convinced that a properly modified and tuned M90 can run better than an AR. Lets play fair here. 13.0 @ 103. Beat that. :)
That indicated mph is low for that ET, therefore, meaning that this time was with a good driver, in which had good traction.
 
There is apossability that on a stock longblocked car that amodified M90 may be better. The M90 makes generally more power at mid and low RPM's...

But I dunno
 
DamonSlowpokeBaumann said:
There is apossability that on a stock longblocked car that amodified M90 may be better. The M90 makes generally more power at mid and low RPM's...

But I dunno
I can somehow agree with this. Seems as if the m90 is a decent enough blower to handle the poor stock heads and cam because of its good average tq and hp.

Then it seems as if you open everything up by porting the heads and moving to a larger cam then it's time for a better style m90, AR, or somethin.....
 
CMac89 said:
That indicated mph is low for that ET, therefore, meaning that this time was with a good driver, in which had good traction.

I'm pretty sure the ET and MPH that Dave posted were from Chris' car. He's the guy from Utah that helped me set up my boost controller and got into a wreck (snow storm) on the way back from the Shootout.

He had a stock longblock with an AR kit and pulled 300 rwhp at the Shootout.

David
 
David Neibert said:
I'm pretty sure the ET and MPH that Dave posted were from Chris' car. He's the guy from Utah that helped me set up my boost controller and got into a wreck (snow storm) on the way back from the Shootout.

He had a stock longblock with an AR kit and pulled 300 rwhp at the Shootout.

David

I think David Dalke told me yesterday it was Jake's car from Florida that had run a 13.0.

Charles
 
David Neibert said:
I'm pretty sure the ET and MPH that Dave posted were from Chris' car. He's the guy from Utah that helped me set up my boost controller and got into a wreck (snow storm) on the way back from the Shootout.

He had a stock longblock with an AR kit and pulled 300 rwhp at the Shootout.

David
Hey David, what other mods did Chris have other then the AR. Things like headers, double intercooler, TB and etc? Or was it bone stock except for the AR and exhaust? Not that it matters much, just curious.

Charles
 
Magnum Powers said:
Hey David, what other mods did Chris have other then the AR. Things like headers, double intercooler, TB and etc? Or was it bone stock except for the AR and exhaust? Not that it matters much, just curious.

Charles

Charles,

I'm not sure what all he had on the car. I think he posted a list of his mods on another thread recently.

David
 
Magnum Powers said:
Hey David, what other mods did Chris have other then the AR. Things like headers, double intercooler, TB and etc? Or was it bone stock except for the AR and exhaust? Not that it matters much, just curious.

Charles

Chris ran 14.0 @ 103mph. Traction was obviously a big issue. Chris had the stock IC but I'm not sure what else he had. Not much as I recall.

Jake ran 13.0 @ 103mph and Frank ran 13.0 @ 104mph. Neither car was dyno tuned. Jake had the MPFMIC and raised top with some sort of home made exhaust system. He had a 75MM TB and MAF with a home made CAI. I don't have any idea what Frank had on his car though.

I think those are the numbers to beat as things stand right now. :) Who will be the first stock longblock car into the 12's? Because if it isn't 12's it's not worth talking about anymore.
 
well

XR7 Dave said:
? Because if it isn't 12's it's not worth talking about anymore.

I disagree:eek:
A low 13 sec that can still do all over a top end ?
lets get on a 1 mile track somewhere anywhere
lets see who could play with me then
well?????
 
Who will be the first stock longblock car into the 12's?
I will be! Ill be expecting an AR kit for "test" purposes in the mail within the next few days then right?:D :cool:
 
XR7 Dave said:
I believe the quickest bolt on car ever ran 13.0 @ 103mph, nitrous or otherwise. I think that with Charles' claims that the MPIII makes more average and therefore useable HP than an AR, that it is time to stop handicapping discussions on the limitations of the stock SC motor to just modified versions of the M90.

Charles is convinced that a properly modified and tuned M90 can run better than an AR. Lets play fair here. 13.0 @ 103. Beat that. :)

I have my own goals ,and I will instill any rules or handicaps that I want
to before meeting my goals. I am not tring to get on any list,or
put any claims to any titles.Example there is one BOLT-ON KING
that is Kurt K. He was the first and only king in my books.All
though I do plan to smoke him at the track some day.Then
set & drink a beer with him and have fun,not bicker about this
or that part.(if his new wife will let him drink any more.) :)

I am not tring to boost anyones parts other than my hard work. I ask a question about what was the highest stock RWHP. I ask this question to
get an answer so I could compair notes with others. And I beleive there
to be a lot of SCers that want to know what level horse power they can
get with bolting on mods. I started another post about testing the MP III
horse power gain compaired to the MPII swap, & the stock M90. I payed
full price for my MPII & MPIII, so I own nothing to Charles.And I
beleive that this clubs members wants and enjoys reading a non-bies report
on parts. That others have bought and used, and they are thinkng of
maybe purchasing someday.

I am sure charles with his freinds can make more power with his parts
than I ever could. I know, and have raced with some of Charles freinds
that there shop is located down the road from him. They are some of
the top racers and head porters in the world. And From the same back
ground that I have in racing.

David D, As far as playing fair, send me an AR blower when you get time
and I will do my best to produce the best numbers I can. I am sure
some one can out do me.But I will come up with some above average
numbers. And I will list any and every thing honestly done during testing.
And if you want I will list the horse power numbers here on line..

I have spent thousands of dollars to do the testing I am doing.
This is out of the norm for me to give test results out for free.
Unless its a personal sponsor to me or vendors that has help me
or the venue that I am taking part in.

I am glad that you are taking interrest in this post about my performance
goals that I have set for myself using a stock motor. I was hoping for
a 300 rwhp number.I did not make this number in the time frame I set
for myself. Unless I mist the post,but I have not read were Charles
claims he has or can make more RWHP than your A/R blower setup.
When both blowers are used and tested on the same car.I am
willing to do this at my cost. Its not a cheap thing to do with the
price of the MPII to compair it to a MPIII. I have a lot of money tyed
up in MP blowers,pullies,IC,dyno time,well over $6500.00 plus the
money for a A/R Blower. you know this price. by the time your
A/R is installed and running I will have well over $10,000.00 in
both styles of blowers and related parts from you and Charles.,

I beleive every one with any sence knows a screw style blower
A/R . Is a more efficient than a modified M90 rotors can be.
You selling a more complete blower set up than MP is. and with
more help & backing in parts,tuning,or any problems that may
pop up for your customers. I would think that you would be pleased
with the product that you have produce for the SC community.
It has been the most successful horse power produceing blower
ever offered to SCers. Since Charles was around first, I would
think that he would take & treat you as a threat.Not the other
way around. By challenging Charles about blower performance
your just going to make him work that much harder on producing
a better product.

If I have made any one mad for starting this post, and
sharing my results of using & testing the MPII & MPIII
& other MP products, am sorry.
:rolleyes: . Damon made me to do it. :) Just jokin Damon.



Thanks Randy
 
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