i just wanted to come in here and thank everyone and the forum as a whole for being just what it is. a well moderated, well laid out, easy to read forum with lots of good info. as some of you may know i also own a 02 gtp grand prix (dont hate, i have plenty of that for this car already). well, the forums i find for this car are filled with young morons who dont know jack about these cars and guess all day long what your problem might be. your car hesitates? you need a torque converter.....that kinda stuff. i am an avid do it your selfer and i depend on these informative forums to deliver the tech help i need when i need it.....for free of course and this site does it in spades, especially when compared to the virtual gomer pile's that are over at these gp sites. so, thanks.