Aod bolt to a 460

[Randy]

I have a AOD trans built by Lentech .Will the AOD bolt up to a Ford 460 big block.

Randy

[MadMikeyL]

Nope. Big block and small block have different bell housings.

[pro street rich]

First off the bolt pattern is wrong, the second one is the output of the big block will raise heck with the aod.
Now you can use the C6 as I do or you can get a C4 that has the correct bolt pattern.
You do have one more place to check.....Advanced adaptor's does make all kinds of interchange stuff that might give you what you need. Good luck and if you need anything else to do a swap feel free to hit me back.....Rich

[90sc35thann]

Originally Posted by Randy

I have a AOD trans built by Lentech .Will the AOD bolt up to a Ford 460 big block.

Randy

No but it will bolt up to a 351C. :-)

[Randy]

I didnt think the Lentech AOD would work, hopful thinking on my part. I t only has around 1500 miles on it.

I have been thinking about buying a Jon Kaase crate Boss 9 motor. At $195000.00 That would be cheap commpaired to the money I have dumped into these V-Six motors. Plus the BOSS-9 Would maybe last longer.And a dumming like me would be able to tune a BOSS-9,UNLIKE A 6 CYLINDER SC
motor.

I have been looking and wanting to buy a BOSS-9 for a few years now. It sound like finaly Jon Kaase has all the bugs worked out now after 6 to 7 years, and selling them.

Randy

ha Rich good to hear from ya,Some thing you may be interrested in BUYING. I have a neighbor, Has a 1969 blue 20,000 miles looks around one year old
429 BOSS RUSTSTANG $100,000.00 PLUS MY SMALL FINDERS FEE.

[90sc35thann]

I love the Boss 9's but that is a ton of rotating mass.

[pro street rich]

Originally Posted by 90sc35thann

I love the Boss 9's but that is a ton of rotating mass.

These engines did a great job kicking butt on the nascar tracks when they were not banned. There is nothing like the sound of a boss "9" running at speed.
Randy good to see you are still hanging with us. The Boss "9" will NOT fit in the stock t-bird engine bay. That big block is just a bit too fat, like about three and one half in's too big. Years ago I tried to fit one in and was not happy with the things you would have to cut out.
Now as for those John Kaase engines you will be happy with any of them. He will build them from small to over 800 cubies.. I do have one of those monsters and it does run good most of the time.....rich

[RalphP]

If you want to build your own, there IS a small block 460cid available - and for less than $195,000 (!!!) (I think you snuck an extra 0 in there ... )

http://www.worldcastings.com/product...f-engines.html

Actually, they have complete engines available.

RwP

[Randy]

Originally Posted by RalphP

If you want to build your own, there IS a small block 460cid available - and for less than $195,000 (!!!) (I think you snuck an extra 0 in there ... )

http://www.worldcastings.com/product...f-engines.html

Actually, they have complete engines available.

RwP

I see that,I did hit the 0 key to many times. HA!

Thanks for the info on these blocks. I don't plan to build an all out race motor. I just want a Boss 9. I like the looks. I just plan to drive my SC Bird to local car shows and to the grocery store.

I have an all aluminum 4.6, 4 valve motor that will bolt in my 90 SC. I can swap out the valve cover, etc. and it has a look simular to a Ford Hemi. But I don't want to use it. Because I desperately want to get away from a computor controled power plant.

I measured the width and length of my 4 valve 4.6 moto,r then ran over to the neighbors measured his 429 boss, they were close to the same in width and length. I would like to use my AOD, Not being able to use my AOD may be a killer to buying a BOSS-9. If I use my own 460 block, and do my own build. the Jon Kaase top end ,piston,ect, is around $10,000.00. I would love to get a aluminum block to use for this build.

Maybe I can sell my Lentech, and get a different tranny. Rich on the C-6 .Where will the floor shifter end up being. Will or can it still be in and look like the stock shifter placment?

RANDY

[pro street rich]

[QUOTE=Randy; Rich on the C-6 .Where will the floor shifter end up being. Will or can it still be in and look like the stock shifter placment?

the stock shifter can be used for a C6 trans. I have done it and it is ok to use. I do like the ratcher shifter better and that too can be mounted in the stock console as mine is.
If you did the measureing you will see that the valve covers will hit both sides of the stock engine compartment. That is why I have never done a boss swap. Sure the wow factor goes up but you have to do a lot of cutting to get it in there. If I was doing another tube car then that would be the way to go. There is so much power with a boss head engine, and with John Kaase's super tall deck engines that go into the 800 inch range. You could make just stupid amounts of power and still have something that would run on pump gas and have a carb without the fighting with tune's.....Rich

[Mike8675309]

Originally Posted by pro street rich

You could make just stupid amounts of power and still have something that would run on pump gas and have a carb without the fighting with tune's.....Rich

That's so funny. Whenever I look at big block stuff all I can think is how I would love to do sequential EFI on something like that. I'm afraid of working on carbs. Others are afraid of working on EFI. Maybe I need to spend some time with an old Carb guy on tuning those things. Get the right parts with the right nowledge in the garage, and a wide band sensor i bet tuning a carb would be pretty easy.

[pro street rich]

Originally Posted by Mike8675309

That's so funny. Whenever I look at big block stuff all I can think is how I would love to do sequential EFI on something like that. I'm afraid of working on carbs. Others are afraid of working on EFI. Maybe I need to spend some time with an old Carb guy on tuning those things. Get the right parts with the right nowledge in the garage, and a wide band sensor i bet tuning a carb would be pretty easy.

Carbs are so easy to work on[for me at least] that you can dial one in within a few hours. Jets and power valves are simple to work on. Getting one to run is simple one two three. Just a few passes down the track will get you really close to a good setup.
Many years ago when I NHRA raced I got my teaching done on dual quad set ups. Those are a bit more to fine tune. At that time I was running tri power on the street and you had to really know that system to get it not to fall on it's face or run lean on you.
Now adays with everything I am doing it is just a lazier way for me to go carbbed.
Mike I have also looked into doing EFI on one of these cars, but I just don't want to spend the $$$$ for the systems that are out there right now. The one that looks to be the eaziest to do is the one like the old GM's used. Trouble is again spending the cash when the card's are working out for me right now.....Rich

[Randy]

Originally Posted by Mike8675309

That's so funny. Whenever I look at big block stuff all I can think is how I would love to do sequential EFI on something like that. I'm afraid of working on carbs. Others are afraid of working on EFI. Maybe I need to spend some time with an old Carb guy on tuning those things. Get the right parts with the right nowledge in the garage, and a wide band sensor i bet tuning a carb would be pretty easy.

I have every thing needed to tune,burn chips. I have Innovate for data down load. After a few years I have never been able to open up my SCT tuning program to even think about doing a tune. So I simply have given up tuning for EFI.

I have talk to numerus tuners, that tune other cars, no one is or has ever wanted to get close to a SC Bird. The one or two SC Bird tuners I feel have boycoted me in tuning my 90 SC. I did have one great tuner that would work on my car,he was in St Louis,Mo. But he moved to FL. to work for SCT.

I have no problems tuneing fuel injected motor with a mechanical pump, or
a single carbuator , or multi weber Carb set up. I use a vacum gauge setup I made for multi carb set ups. motorcycle or 4 webers on a ford v-8. I can use and get data, A/F rato from my Innovate. And I can tune for gas,alky,nitro.

I realy like my Bird I have been though every single part peice on my SC. I have an almost new SC Bird with new paint setting in my shop. I did stop any and all enigine build years ago Although I have most every part for a new 3.8 V-6 build.

I finaly came to the point, that the 3.8 SC engine and related parts were just usless junk, with not being able to tune my car ,or having the opption of paying some to tune my car.

So the last few years I have been watching www.jonkaaseracingengines.com
develope his 460 Ford Hemi conversion. For around a year now he has been selling a top end, heads pistons, etc parts for a person to use there own 460 block for a build. And they now have a crate motor for sale. So I have been saving money for a year or so to hopfully buy a crate motor with Carb.

Jon kaase has a manifold to build a EFI engine with throttle body. and also has a manifold for mechanical fuel pump injection. that can be supercharged.
I believe I would be happy with a single carb set-up.

RANDY

[talonhead]

Just came across this from TCI TCI-271601P5 6x 6 speed.
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....................But it AIN'T CHEEP!!!!! around $7k or so.
several $K more than the T56 Magnum XL manual kit. But sounds really coool!
MikeH

[Mike8675309]

Originally Posted by Randy

I finaly came to the point, that the 3.8 SC engine and related parts were just usless junk, with not being able to tune my car ,or having the opption of paying some to tune my car.

Randy, I can completely understand how you feel. I don't know why folks have so much trouble tuning the SC cars. I've found it complex but not something I can't figure out.