2009 SC Shootout Location/Date

[SCrazy]

Originally Posted by Ira R.

I couldn't agree more. The responsibility lies with the tuner to get it right. What good is installing all of those mods if the tuner can't make it safe to drive the car for goodness sake! Oh wait........ what I meant to say was...... oh he$$ never mind. It's too late already

Ira

What about the idiot who dumps his clutch at 4kRPM 1800mi away from home the very first time the car has been down the track in two years making nearly 100hp more than the last time it was at a track........

Result...the car breaks both (yup both) rear axels right on the line and travels maybe 20' feet down the track.

Trust me there are lots of things other than a perfect tune-up that can go wrong.

Of course one of the best things about the shootout is that if something horrible does go wrong you've got about 75 of the best SC wrenches in the country and truckloads of spare parts all helping to get you fixed and on the road. I've seen axels swapped, blowers swapped, rear ends swapped, transmissions swapped, front mount IC's pulled welded and reinstalled, trailers loaned, rides given. I'm pretty sure that you're NOT going to get stranded at a shootout and somehow someway the SC community will get you home.

[frdlvr30]

Originally Posted by rbrown

Like a few weeks back the idiot at our track, driving his new porsche all the way to the end, full on, into the 2 foot deep gravel.

Now thats stupid....

[mywhite89]

Awesome. Muncie is the home track for me, I've been there several times. I will definitely be there racing. I'm an hour away north, so if someone has problems they can limp it on over to my place if needed and we will fix it up. 260-341-2216.

Chris

[VicRattlehead]

driving vs trailering

i drove my car to the SSHS in atlanta from chicago. i had no worries about the engine or drivetrain. what happened was the proportion valve started leaking on the way into the track. i never made a pass. this could have happened anywhere but if it was on a trailer it wouldnt have been a big deal load up and enjoy the rest of the day. but now i had to figure out a way to fix it enough to drive back to chicago. so yea ya never know what can happen if you can trailer it do it.

[Ira R.]

Originally Posted by SCrazy

What about the idiot who dumps his clutch at 4kRPM 1800mi away from home the very first time the car has been down the track in two years making nearly 100hp more than the last time it was at a track........

Result...the car breaks both (yup both) rear axels right on the line and travels maybe 20' feet down the track.

Trust me there are lots of things other than a perfect tune-up that can go wrong.

Of course one of the best things about the shootout is that if something horrible does go wrong you've got about 75 of the best SC wrenches in the country and truckloads of spare parts all helping to get you fixed and on the road. I've seen axels swapped, blowers swapped, rear ends swapped, transmissions swapped, front mount IC's pulled welded and reinstalled, trailers loaned, rides given. I'm pretty sure that you're NOT going to get stranded at a shootout and somehow someway the SC community will get you home.

You know what Brian, sometimes you just have to say @%$@ it.
Of course it is nice to know that no one is going to let anyone get stranded and after a while sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Who knows, maybe even I'll figure out a way to trailer the car this year.

But I do agree with Dave; the best part of all of these meets is the drive there. I would miss that.

Ira

[XR7 Dave]

I didn't intend to give anyone a hard time, but people really should listen to what I'm saying - I've only been saying it for literally 6 years now like a stuck record.

1) Yes, anything can happen anywhere, anytime. Planning for any and all contingencies is a great way to take the fun out of things. Responsible planning involves taking care of the MOST LIKELY things that might happen and having the ability, should the worst happen, to deal with it. If the worst thing that ever happens is that you have to hitch a trailer ride with someone or even have your car flat bedded across 3 states, that's not so bad.

If we go with Keith's thing, that a faulty proportioning valve is cause enough to bring a trailer, then why go anywhere without a trailer? If we worry about basic mechanical failures then 1) our cars aren't road worthy in the first place, or 2) we just need to stay home like Damon. Ya, I went there.

2) Being responsible. Shall we make a list of all the people who show up at the Shootout to run their car for the first time? To me this is just a bad idea all around. You are putting just way too much pressure on yourself and that puts the odds wayyyy in favor of something bad happening. I can make a list (but I won't to protect the innocent (or should I say irresponsible??)) showing the ratio of unpracticed competitors vs. carnage at the Shootout. Believe me it's not a good ratio. Those who run their cars a few times over the summer and are familiar with how their cars run, rank right at just next to -0- for Shootout carnage.

3) 90% thrash. This does NOT mean sandbagging. This means having already established parameters in which to run your car. This means launching at 3000rpm instead of 4500rpm when you know that the car can launch at 4500rpm but instead you choose to provide yourself with a measure of safety. It may mean shifting at 5500rpm instead of 6000rpm, or it may mean running 20 deg timing instead of 24 deg. This is not sandbagging. Sandbagging is running purposely slower to obtain a competitive advantage. Limiting the car by a mechanical means, consistently and accurately is NOT sandbagging. If I have run 175hp nitrous shot but decide to run 125hp nitrous at the Shootout, that is not sandbagging. Running 125hp nitrous so that I can run the top of the 12.20 class, and having a reserve "stage 2" so that I can "juice" the guy if necessary would be sandbagging. A car that has run 12.0's in the past, shows up at the event running 12.80's all day long until the finals and then running 12.20 to win may be accused of sandbagging.

The idea of coming to the Shootout with the tune "set to kill" and a "hell bent for leather" attitude is a sure recipe for going home on the trailer. You might as well just toss a dice for pink slips as do that.

No real winner ever comes to a race with that attitude. To win on anything other than pure luck requires planning which includes knowing what you are capable of and making sure that you operate within the parameters of what you can do. By operating within those parameters and setting yourself up in a position to reap the benefits of some good luck, that is how you win. All the luck in the world does not make up for bad planning.

[VicRattlehead]

i agree with everything dave said in the post above. yea did i plan to have a leak in the brakes, no, it could have happened around the block from my house.

yes responsible racing is a big thing. go out and test before the shootout and know the cars limits before you go 200-300-1000+ miles

[coolhand]

Carnage, mayhem, blasphemy........Hell, thats why we go to the shootout!!!!! I even brought extra parts for anyone to use, just in case. Now my cars are never fast enuff to sandbag with, but I just think its stupid. Run what ya brung, fix it if you break it. The commitee provides a great show every year.
God willing and the river dont rise I will be there again.

Matt

[9250bird]

Bringing the wife and kids along makes the trip easier when it is not done in the bird. We will be rolling the F250 to shootout this year.

Also Ira, it helps if you tell your tuner you are running race gas........


We will see you all there. Just because it isnt in Dayton this year, we will show we will show for the shootout come hell or high water.

Chris

[Mercutio]

Sooner or later we would have run out of hotels in Dayton that would take us anyway, right?

[Ira R.]

Originally Posted by Mercutio

Sooner or later we would have run out of hotels in Dayton that would take us anyway, right?

Too true.... too true.....

Ira

[Toms-SC]

Very true. A hotel can only handle the parking lot fun for so long.

[XR7 Dave]

Originally Posted by Toms-SC

Very true. A hotel can only handle the parking lot fun for so long.

Please. We haven't been kicked out or not invited back yet.


And NO that is not a CHALLENGE for you who's names shall not be mentioned.

[9250bird]

I recommend a hotel with one floor only. That will slow the shenanigans. And not near a job site with a porta john.

Chris

[Toms-SC]

Originally Posted by 9250bird

I recommend a hotel with one floor only. That will slow the shenanigans. And not near a job site with a porta john.

Chris

"Looks like a play ground"