2011 Mustang V-6 Runs 11.73 was a big deal to MM/FF

[rzimmerl]

Originally Posted by sdw

So what's a 305 hp 2011 mustang with mods cost?

vrs

The cost for an 11.7 t'bird.

Sean

Mine cost less then buying the 2011 Mustang and modding it for sure, and its still a stock shortblock on moderate boost.

[bowez]

Considering I bought my SC for $4000 and then spent $2k on tranny I have over $13k to go to 1.5 second. I'm figuring heads, cam and tune to be ~$1500, should get me awful close and if not 10%OD and Snow. All this with a Eaton M90 case.

[Toms-SC]

I'd still rather have the new technology. Want fuel economy? 2011 Mustang V6. Want parts? 2011 Mustang V6. Want aftermarket support? 2011 Mustang V6. Want to get your car worked on at the dealership? 2011 Mustang V6. The factory 3.8L V6 in our cars is finished. Parts will only become harder to find, aftermarket support is finished once Dave and Charles burn out. The only thing the Thunderbird has going for it is nostalgia and a comfortable ride.

[XxSlowpokexX]

Originally Posted by Toms-SC

I'd still rather have the new technology. Want fuel economy? 2011 Mustang V6. Want parts? 2011 Mustang V6. Want aftermarket support? 2011 Mustang V6. Want to get your car worked on at the dealership? 2011 Mustang V6. The factory 3.8L V6 in our cars is finished. Parts will only become harder to find, aftermarket support is finished once Dave and Charles burn out. The only thing the Thunderbird has going for it is nostalgia and a comfortable ride.

Tom I guess if I wanted something everyone else had...Id just go buy a mustang....Allthough the new stang motor in my tbird with twin turboes and a 6 speed auto.....NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL..Eco boost tbird FTW!

[XxSlowpokexX]

Originally Posted by jdsgallops

11.70's from a street car are impressive no matter what it is. Throw in the fact it will retain close to the factory fuel mileage of 31 mpg and most importantly retain it's factory 100,000mi warranty and there is again no reason to not be impressed. Honnestly though I am really sick of hearing about the weight being a factor. The new Mustang is no lightweightit is approaching that of the 89 to 97 t bird. Especially considering many of the t bird guys are getting weights down to 3650.

That v6 stang will not get a warrenty if it blows up! and as far as weight..Mines a little over 4100 with me in it..AND I get great gas miliage....When I dont get goofy with the foot pedal...But make no mistakes...Id rather hav ethe new 3.7 in my tbird along with a 6 speed auto or manual..And a turbo or two

[XxSlowpokexX]

Originally Posted by sdw

So what's a 305 hp 2011 mustang with mods cost?

vrs

The cost for an 11.7 t'bird.

Sean

I dont know....But I build mine cheap!

[David Neibert]

Originally Posted by XxSlowpokexX

That v6 stang will not get a warrenty if it blows up! and as far as weight..Mines a little over 4100 with me in it..AND I get great gas miliage....When I dont get goofy with the foot pedal...But make no mistakes...Id rather hav ethe new 3.7 in my tbird along with a 6 speed auto or manual..And a turbo or two

Why would anyone want the new 3.7 when you can get the 5.0 ? Is it really that important to keep a 6 clyinder under the hood of your SC ? I agree that a 3.5 twin turbo, direct injection ecoboost motor would be a cool swap, but the 3.7 NA motor doesn't do anything for me.

If I was going to do another motor swap it would be the new Boss 5.0 with an F series procharger.

David

[jdsgallops]

Originally Posted by sdw

So what's a 305 hp 2011 mustang with mods cost?

vrs

The cost for an 11.7 t'bird.

Sean

That is a loaded question. How do you do this apples to apples? How can you take a 20 year old car and compare it to new based solely on ET? you can't really. The options on the new car are much different. The build quality is much higher. It has shiny new paint, interior pieces are still intact and held tightly together. Tires are new. The only way to do a true apples to apples comparison is to totally refurbish the t bird. I know how much money I have just in parts for my Mustang. I haven't included any of my paint prep work in that and haven't touched the rearend save for changing the oil. The only part I haven't unbolted at some point in time is the K member. It will also need rims and tires to be driveable once the other work is done. Add in the parts I need to finish the project and I could easily buy a new Mustang with the money I have spent. Pay myself a measily $10 an hour for doing all the work myself and the mods are easily covered. If you have a shop do the work you might as well just put a deposit on a new Cobra.

Yeah the t bird could likely be done for less than my mustang based largely on the fact the entry level cost of the car and some stock rebuild parts are much cheaper. But as pointed out by another the 3.8 is old news and will soon have no support. The t bird has several known "problems". When the support is gone and all of the used cars are parted out or the pieces on the are in the same condition on all of them you will never have that totally refurbished car.

Slowpoke SEMA has our back on the warranty issue. Ford would need to prove the aftermarket part caused the engine failure. But engine technology is so advanced right now that even our 20 year old 3.8's go 200,000+ miles with no trouble. As long as the tune is safe there would be no worries by me, not to mention that same warranty covers a whole lot more than just the engine.

[jdsgallops]

Originally Posted by David Neibert

Why would anyone want the new 3.7 when you can get the 5.0 ? Is it really that important to keep a 6 clyinder under the hood of your SC ? I agree that a 3.5 twin turbo, direct injection ecoboost motor would be a cool swap, but the 3.7 NA motor doesn't do anything for me.

If I was going to do another motor swap it would be the new Boss 5.0 with an F series procharger.

David

I would much rather keep the heritage of the car by keeping a 6 in it. I would be all over the 3.7/vortech set up or the Taurus SHO 3.5 twin turbo if my mustang was finished and he price was right.

[white95v6]

umm Pauls high performance went 10s on a stock long block 4.0L 05 up. and Justin Starky(VMP) wents 10s on a stock 3.8L.

[ScrapSC]

It is a big market and as we all know on here the new Mustang has a huge following. The magazine is called Muscle Mustang/Fast Ford but we see very little of Fast Ford is what gripes many asses out there. The MM part gets 95% of the coverage or so it seems.

[XR7 Dave]

If any of you are trying to justify what you are doing based on value / dollar / HP that is just silly. We CHOSE to work with 20yr old cars and EXPECT the challenges and downfalls that come with it.

If I were working on V6 or V8 Mustangs i would not CARE about SC Thunderbirds. As such I do not CARE about how fast a V6 Mustang is or isn't in comparison to my SC. I was just interested to know what they did to the motor/car to get where they got.

I have INTEREST in other platforms for their own sake, not to see how they stack up to my OLD SCHOOL T-bird. If you guys insist on comparing an SC to a new Mustang you are just going to end up walking around with a chip on your shoulder which makes for miserable company all around.

Anyway, since I can't view video's on this ~~~ 20yr old computer (trying to stay period correct here, lol), is there a printed article I can read?

[MustangJake88]

Originally Posted by XR7 Dave

Well, I'm guessing that it's probably an internally stock motor which is pretty darn exciting really. Are there many other internally stock V6's running that quick?

I'm pretty sure all they did was slap a blower, tune, and free flowing exhaust on it and called it a day.

[jdsgallops]

Originally Posted by XR7 Dave

If any of you are trying to justify what you are doing based on value / dollar / HP that is just silly. We CHOSE to work with 20yr old cars and EXPECT the challenges and downfalls that come with it.

If I were working on V6 or V8 Mustangs i would not CARE about SC Thunderbirds. As such I do not CARE about how fast a V6 Mustang is or isn't in comparison to my SC. I was just interested to know what they did to the motor/car to get where they got.

I have INTEREST in other platforms for their own sake, not to see how they stack up to my OLD SCHOOL T-bird. If you guys insist on comparing an SC to a new Mustang you are just going to end up walking around with a chip on your shoulder which makes for miserable company all around.

Anyway, since I can't view video's on this ~~~ 20yr old computer (trying to stay period correct here, lol), is there a printed article I can read?

Sorry Dave but I couldn't disagree with your statement more. The whole attitude of this site is Mustang bashing. Look at how the title of this thread was worded. Anybody here who has Mustang experience makes them a know it all and knows nothing about making an SC fast and then excuses of weight and independent suspensions come up. Yet in your own words YOU(The members of this site) CHOOSE the platform on which to base your performance aspirations. There is definately Mustang envy here. I have an interest in both platforms. My Mustang will always be my "track" car. It will be built with the best parts and go as fast as my budget allows. My t bird is my daily driver because we did not want another car payment with a new born. I come here to find out how to repair known problems, increase performance in a relaible cheap manner, and look for affordable parts. It doesn't matter if it has a bowtie on it, has 4 , 6, or 8 cylinders,is made in the us or overseas. They are all cars they all have 4 wheels, they are all internal combustion engines, and they all have steering wheels. There needs to be no brand or model envy.

I do agree though that the whole comparison of a 20 year old car versus new is stupid. I purchased my first new car 5 years ago. And as I was told by others it was a waste of money. I have no need to spend $35 to 40 on a new car. It is a poor investment. I will happily buy an older moldel and refurbish it. The intial cash outlay is less, it is a form of recycling and I enjoy relaxing in the garage working on my own vehicle.

[XR7 Dave]

Originally Posted by jdsgallops

Sorry Dave but I couldn't disagree with your statement more. The whole attitude of this site is Mustang bashing. Look at how the title of this thread was worded. Anybody here who has Mustang experience makes them a know it all and knows nothing about making an SC fast and then excuses of weight and independent suspensions come up.

I could make a lot of generalizations about your attitude towards "us" too but I won't go there.

There's no Mustang envy here (meaning at this end of the keyboard). Zero. Damon doesn't have it, neither do a lot of others. A few do, and those are whom I directed my comments to. You are too new for me to have made that comment towards. Instead I was speaking to others who have SC's, have been around here awhile, and made those comparisons.