Why aren't these cars worth anything?

Yessir Dave

This is one reason I was able to pull away pretty good on a '70 GTO convertible that taunted me at a light many years ago. He was definitely the aggressor, but I was willing to oblige him , or embarrass him as the case turned out to be. He got to read the back bumper, so he won't forget it wasn't an LX I was driving. :)

Even us "old" guys gotta be a' representin' with the SC, it's the law!
 
Some questions on an old thread .......

XR7 Dave said:
Ya, when you talk about "fast" cars, everyone talks about "muscle cars" and the truth is they weren't that fast. Only thing about them was that other than looking cool, they never did anything else well.
When I was a kid my older brother had the fastest car in high school, and it ran 15.8 @ 94 mph. It was a 67 Olds 442 with a bunch of bolt ons. And it had no brakes (unless you call 4 wheel drum brakes "brakes"). :D
:eek: WAITAMINNIT Dave ..... In pondering the plight of the SilverBullet, I found this old thread. It says a LOT. However, my friend with the 67 Olds 442 was turning 15.0 with closed exhaust and street tires! I personally had a '69 AMX with a 390 Automatic with Air that got consistant 14.7 @ 92mph at UnionGrove Raceway in Wisconsin. Stupid me sold it and bought a '72 Buick Stage1 that turned 13.9 with open headers on MickeyThompson L70x15 tires. Dave, as I remember, the old musclecars WERE that FAST!! :D
 
just my two cents....

Lets see, who would want to buy a 10-16 year old car that has a reputation of blowing head gaskets? Or tearing motor mounts to hell? Oh, and also add to the fact, that it looks pretty much like a regular Thunderbird to the untrained eye. You say you want to go fast? Compare the cost of building a V8 with 450 horses to Coy Miller's $7500 plus the bolt-ons to make his engines work. You want comfort and handling with a little more go than the average car? Try a 3-series BMW. Maybe in a few more years, SC's will be worth something- how much, I don't know, but I wouldn't hold on to one for an investment. I'll restore mine eventually. In the mean time I'm looking for an 80's IROC-Z to sink a 383 stroker into:)
 
yep, SC's are not for the CHEAP. and by reading this thread i can tell you shouldnt own one. One thing about my SC is that its not so BLAND. It has style. Compare my SC to a IROC-Z. My SC kicks its *** in all the categories. Looks, interior. Features. All of it. SUNROOF. Powerheadlights. all of it.

I dont get how anycar is a good investment?, unless its a HYBRID, they save alot of gas :D

I think most of drive our SC's because we love them. We like to be in a CLASS of our own. SC's arent burnt out like a CIVIC or a CAMARO. When have you rolled up to a spot were people are checking out cars and you see a SC there? Not once. All you see is the same old AEM COLD AIR INTAKE after another.

One thing. The MN12's are over 10 years old. Yet they have features cars these days have to get specially put in. POWER WINDOWS, POWER LOCKS.
My friends sister has a 99 NEON with manual locks and windows. WTF MANUAL LOCKS AND WINDOWS. WOW! NICE GOING! IT must be so kool to lean over to pull down the passenger side window to talk to a girl at the bus stop.

I dont know. Like i said, SC's are not for the CHEAP. If you cant see yourself putting PREMIUM everytime you fill up then you should own one. Nothing like all american steel tearing through the streets baby!

"AINT NO DOUBT MY KING OF THE MOUNTAIN IS BUILT FORD TOUGH!"
from the F-150 commercial
 
ThunderTurkey said:
:eek: WAITAMINNIT Dave ..... In pondering the plight of the SilverBullet, I found this old thread. It says a LOT. However, my friend with the 67 Olds 442 was turning 15.0 with closed exhaust and street tires! I personally had a '69 AMX with a 390 Automatic with Air that got consistant 14.7 @ 92mph at UnionGrove Raceway in Wisconsin. Stupid me sold it and bought a '72 Buick Stage1 that turned 13.9 with open headers on MickeyThompson L70x15 tires. Dave, as I remember, the old musclecars WERE that FAST!! :D

For the most part "muscle cars" were much slower than their reputation suggests. 390 powered Mustang GT's ran mid 15's. Buick Stage 1's were some of the fastest muscle cars available so I expect at least decent numbers from them. True musclecars (anything capable of a 13.xx) is a short list. :)
 
Back to the original topic, these cars are worth nothing for the following reasons:

1) Beat to ****
2) Old car
3) Not Maintained
4) Require lots of money to work on
5) Have high mileage
6) Parts source on their way out

These are just another old car, its nothing special. I have noticed the trend here in Alberta that people are trying to unload a 15 year old SC with high mileage that require EVERYTHING for $10,000 Canadian. I have no clue what they are smoking, but it must be good. :rolleyes:
 
turbospeed said:
the problem is that our cars are car X for most people ; most people look at it like a thunderbird....something i dont understand is this my cousin got a eclipse and i doesn even has power windows 1993 for $3900 everyone in my family thinks its a good price and it is a nice car thunderbird SC 1990 $2500 most ask why i got such ugly car or a car sooo big.or simply why i got a thunderbird ..wtf?

the thing with our cars is that you gotta own one to love em most thunderbird owners i know love them really love them .
i know this guy with a 86 pos TC but the guy loves it and tries to fix as much as he can....while guy with newer cars like 95 accords or such like their car like them a lot but isnt like the relationship you make with a thundebird......

i think lford explained this better
This is not transportation... this is a love affair. This is the car you never let near the car wash. This is the car you tip the parking attendant so you can park it yourself...a car that turns heads as quickly as corners. This is a car you write a new license plate for. This is a Thunderbird...so sensuous, so intimate, so thrilling...you'll take the long way home

Yeah.. I get that alot. In my class, to one of my friends, everyone was like "Oh, you got a Honda Civic it must be nice/fast/neat *insert your favorite comment here*" Of course, even though my car was faster, better looking (imo) I got absolutlely no respect. Infact, I would normally get ridiculed for driving an MN12... (This is when I drove my LX) what can ya do, ya know? lol

I've actually had some interest in the SC though. Peoples reactions are somthing like " WHAT? That thing is SUPERCHARGED?" While, I just lay back, with a nice crap-eating grin...

BTW, I love your last statement.

DamonSlowpokeBaumann said:
Supercoupres were marketed towarded middle aged men..They were expensive cars...Kids couldnt afford them and performance parts were non existent..Now that the middle aged men are selling or have been selling their SC's..Whos going to buy them?.Kids?....Nahh they want a stang..Or an F body..Maybe even a *gasp* civic...The SC ended up being a car that nobody wanted..DOnt flame me for this because I love these cars..But its reality..Just look at BMW 850's..Talk about losing resale value...A great car..But no market..Thus lower resale values..People that these cars were aimed at..Well they just buy new cars...Look at the Jaguar xJr..You can buy one off lease for 30,000..YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!..Why?..its a great car..WHy after 3 years such a loss in value?...Lets face it..If you can afford a new Jag...Your going to go buy a new One..Another thing is maintenance...An SC isnt a cheap car to fix..Many things that lead to a car not having a high resale value..

But for those of us who are mechanically inclined...Who know how nice a car an SC is..Well...Arnt we lucky we can get them thsi cheap???...Only complaint is when we go to sell....But thus is life eh:O)


Heh, well, I guess I'm one of the few "kids" that owns an SC. I'm 16, and would never be cought in a Civic. I bought my SC for $2500...... which is decent..... for a $27K new...
 
I got my Cougar last year when I was 17, unlike most people my age driving their first cars (imports) which is all fine and dandy but everyones doing it. I didn't really know why I chose the Cougar, maybe cause my dads first car was a 73 Cougar XR7 so there was a bit of irony and to be honest, I really wanted a v8 like a 5.0 mustang or a Camaro but this was cheaper, had more options, was in better shape, was shiney red, and had a superchager which no one else had.

I am now glad I have this car, #1 because it's fast no matter what you guys say about it's stock performance, it's comforatable unlike my friends who all have geos, it has decent gas milage, sunroof, 5 spd, rwd and simply kicks *** because I can go out for a cruise and have confidence knowing no one else has a car like mine in town.

Put it this way, if I crashed tommorow or for whatever reason I lost the car, I would definatley have great memories of her and would seek out another one just like it. :)
 
Hi all us SC lovers,
I'm older than all of you most likely, I have owned many many cars, I have been lucky to own from a 1950 ford flathead when I was 12 to Corvettes 65, 67, 81 and 82 then the Cudas, and the 442,55 chevy, 390 Stangs, to many to mention, but more than my share. My Son Went into the Military 12 yrs ago. I bought his car back 6 years ago. Then when he got orders for overseas duty I wanted to have something he loved and decided to restore it. I have a lot of $$$ in his car that David tuned for me, David was Impressed with the power a sock bottom end was able to produce on the Dyno, with a stock cam but alot of extras bolt ons rockes the gamit. I own many SC's 16K, 22K, 24K, 36K, 50K,56K, 64K 76K 84K Miles I have others with higher miles but in they are Modified or being modified.I sold two practically New Harleys A Herritage Softail custom,and a Road King. I had to purchase all these beauties. I had to lay one down one of my bikes to avoid getting T.boned I was crossing an Intersection...If My wife Diane or My son and his wife would have been riding that day I may not be writing now. Thank God I saw the car coming and locked her up I flew about 10 12 ft and walked away with minor damage to myself or the Bike.Prices on the SC's were higher but My biggest expence was the transport. Other wise the cars are like new and I love them all. Will they go up in price YES!!! Give them a chance to Vintage. There are still many SC owners that do not know that there is a SCCoA I talk with them all the time. Some have never blown a headgasket! Selling and having our stores on ebay many owners find Myself or Don or Dan etc. get so much traffic,that It's not rare to find many owners that still own SC but do not know of SCCoA how many were made total 60,000? SC's. What this tell me is that there are many SC still out there I mean a lot of them.The car has a design that will be recognized in its time as a collector or a very desired car. If the Falcon is a collectable the Gremlin the Dodge dart the Corvair then I have no doubt the "Thunderbird Super Coupe" will hold it's place and price will find it's way as a vintage car, or a collectors It's time is coming maybe sooner than later I would say 5 to 8 more years! the price will skyrocket. I sure hope so. Keep them buy them at these prices and see.
I may not be around to cash in, but my Nephews, Grand daughter, Grandson etc. Will be able to start their own club when they reach driving age. Maybe I'll start an SC XR7 Museum. I think we love these cars for the looks the handling and much more a six cylinder that has a top speed of 146 Mph stock...that says to me SCCoA will be around for many many more years to come. Sorry for the long post. I do not write short post. I do not know how to....
That's my $1.00's worth.
Good Night.
 

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Depends on the value you look at!

I have had my 93 SC since new off the showroom floor...while not in that condition anymore..(but respectable driving condition) you honestly couldn't persuade me to part with this car. Even if an obsurd amount of money was waved in my face. This car is an instant classic even with all the problems...maybe that's my opinion but that's what I think....like I saw someone else say...the people that sell these cars so cheap don't value the SC like the rest of us do. So it all boils down to value of the dollar.....or value of the pride you have smoking the tires in your luxury sportscar.....lol
 
Just got my 94' SC about 4 months ago. My wife bought it for me while I was deployed for $600. I got home about a month after she bought it for me and I drove it home. The next day went out and the trans would not shift into drive but would go in reverse. Had the trans built by my friend, that is all he does is transmission work. I love my Thurderbird it does have other problems that I will be asking about in another post. I also love cars as my screen names says I do have a 67 Camaro I am working on I am also a quite member on Hotrodders.com since 02.

Joe
 
I've had my 89 SC since June 6, 1989. I have not really had many problems with the car but at 77k it is starting to show its age. I have never driven the car in snow and salt so the body is excellent. As you can tell from the mileage I haven't really driven it much period. Most of the miles were put on in probably the first five years. Up till now I haven't really had to do much other than replace tires, shocks, belts, etc. I started using it as a daily driver again this summer mainly because of the prices I've been seeing for SC's plus it gets better fuel mileage than my 4x4 Ranger. The value is so low that it just didn't make any sense to save it so I might as well enjoy it. But now it needs new floor mats and I am starting to hear strange new noises and see $$$$ signs. The fuel pump is getting loud and I think I need a new jackshaft bearing. I heard that a guy at work is looking for a 5-speed SC... This is the longest I've ever kept a car and I'm not sure I could part with the old girl. I almost traded it for a bigblock 68 Mustang but backed out when we couldn't decide on a value for the SC. It was my best friend's car and I felt he was asking more than the Stang was worth. Rather than piss each other off we decided to forget the whole thing. He's been a friend longer than I've had this car.
 
I must agree with the above post: The SC was positioned as a pseudo-BMW M-Series/AMG Benz import fighter, as was the Taurus SHO.
The problem is that no matter how well engineered the vehicle or repectable the actual performance of the car, the big blue 'Ford' oval on the trunk lid is nothing but a boat anchor to the kind of typical customer that owns a BMW/AMG type car: Status is the #1 factor, and performance is secondary, even though they won't admit that.
Those guys turn up thier nose at a lowly 'American' car, and act like there is a level of unexplainable sophistication that only a German car can possess.
Gives us a great car nowadays for a low price, but the overall respect is gonna be a long time coming.
 
Ain't that the truth ...

For the most part "muscle cars" were much slower than their reputation suggests. 390 powered Mustang GT's ran mid 15's. Buick Stage 1's were some of the fastest muscle cars available so I expect at least decent numbers from them. True musclecars (anything capable of a 13.xx) is a short list. :)

You're right about that. Back in the day I had a '67 GT 390 4-speed Mustang. Put a dual point distributor in it, a 428 midrise intake and 850 double pump Holley on top of that. A good 289 Mustang could take in in the quarter. But man, that 390 had the kind of torque that could pull out tree stumps.

eddie
'90 5-speed SC
'97 LX sport
 
We're at the low point in the depreciation curve right now with these cars. I used to have the exact same gripe about the 60's/70's Mopars my buddies and I played with. Everyone wanted a Mustang, Camero, or Chevelle. The Challengers, 'Cuda's, R/T's, Road Runners, GTX's and Super Bee's got no respect, even though they were better cars. If you had a Dart Sport, you were a joke. Catch an episode of Barrett-Jackson lately? No one is laughing now.

The point is, it's too early to bemoan the rock-bottom SC values. To the contrary, now is the time to ferret out the nice, low-mileage original cars for pennies on the original dollar, and put them away. I did that with my white '89, and have a titanium '89 for a daily driver. My '90 XR7 is a 30K mile car. These cars are now cheap enough so that you can afford buy an investment-grade car to hold onto, and still have enough left over for a daily "toy".

Now is the time to buy, buy, buy. I'm buying up NOS parts, picking the junkyards clean, and always keeping an eye open for the next "little old man" car. Just like the advise given for stocks, buy when they're low, and hold onto them.

Comparing our SC's to the GN is an insult; there is no comparison. Quality and refinement wise, the GN is like some kid's shop project, in comparison. But, SC's weren't marketed well at all, and GN's were over-marketed. That is one big reason for the recognition and value disparity now, I think. I remember test driving a new one in '90, but they were just toooooo expensive, so we settled on an LX for $10K less. I told my wife to be patient, because these weren't "kids" cars, and there'd be nice, adult-owned ones available on the cheap in a few years. I was right, and put a 40K, one-lady-owner example in my garage, and bought her the silver automatic for a driver.

My advise: wait until everyone gets done wrecking, blowing up, cutting and modifying theirs. Every SC that dies makes mine more rare and valueable. The ones left standing with their survivors when the dust settles will have the last laugh. My white car is not being driven, and is maintained ONLY with NOS parts. While that's "over the top" now, I'm looking down the road 10 years. My titanium car? I'm going to see how many miles I can run up on it while maintaining it with readily available used and parts-store components. If it get's hit, or blows an engine, no big deal. I'll part it out, and buy a better one.

JD
 
When I had my 1970 Torino Cobra 429CJ 4spd car I was told over and over again that if would never be worth anything. 1970's vintage Fords just didn't have any value. I didn't understand it at the time, it was a low production, high compression BB 4spd car, why was it not valuable? In the end I sold the car for in 1987 for $3500. It had about 65,000 original miles and was in very nice original condition. The same car today will bring $15,000 easily and $25,000 restored.

At that time the car was 17 yrs old. Some of our SC's are that old now. Keeping in mind that the Torino sold for $4500 new, I did pretty well getting 78% of original value. You won't get $17,000 for any SC, in any condition today. But I think that you might someday....
 
You won't get $17,000 for any SC, in any condition today...

I saw an 89 SC trade hands for around $20K about a year and a half ago. But, it had something like 000007 miles on it, still had the plastic on the seats, etc. That was a freak deal, though. When I saw it, I thought "the seller didn't even get his original money back after all that time. And, the buyer has a car that can't be driven AT ALL, or it'll be worth 1/5 (or less) of what he paid. It's a paperweight".

You're right, though. In the "real world", they're not worth that much now. But, like in the case of the musclecars, we all might be surprised one day...

JD
 
Saying that the classic 'muscle cars' of the sixties and early seventies were slow is unfair. Comparing today's cars to any from 'yesterday' is ridiculous...there is no way to fairly level the playing field.
While a mid-13 second car today is no big deal, such a level of performance back in the 60s/70s was a HUGE deal.
Cars back then had extremely archaic manufacturing techiques, did not have the advatage of all the lightweight materials we do now and the level of engineering was Flintstone-era compared to today's electronic doo-dads.
It is true most typical 'super cars' from back then (the term 'muscle car' was not even coined until well into the eighties as the interest picked up) were basically mid-15 second cars. And that was fairly quick.
Dipping into the low 14s and even the 13s was considered the REAL performers, but you had to order the high-zoot engine options like the CJs, Hemis and MarkII 'pocupine's to get that level of performance. And those cars were not comfortable daily-drivers, so most did not order them with the biggest most powerful engines.
The reason the 'muscle car' got today's fondly-remembered reputatuion is because that level of performance was the pinnacle, and then the gas-crisis and emissions-related politics basically strangled the performance down to near zero.
Everyone remembered when cars were 'fast', and then-current vehicles did not come anywhere close to that. So the rose-colored reputation of 'muscle cars' was then cast in stone.
Around the beginning of the eighties or so, most manufacturers begabn to figure out how to make performance, economy and emissions work in harmony. And cars have been getting better and better in the performance market every single year since then.
Since there has been no 'break' in the offerings to the public, there has been no opportunity for enthusiasts to invest emotionally into the 'good old days' of the 2nd generation of performance, because that 2nd generation is still in full swing!
We are all living in a time of performance renaiasaince, and most take it for granted. It is truly unbelivebale to me the high level of 'real' performance available today to the average car-buyer who just has to plunk the money down on the counter.
A second 'ice age' of performance, like what we went through from 1972 to 1982 is what it is gonna take to give cars from this generation the same vaunted reputation that 'muscle cars' have today.
Everyone here basically raves about the 'awesome' performance a Super Coupe gives, but compared to today's offerings, a Super Coupe is a slug at best...not even a contender.
I mean, my 1971 429 Cobra Jet Mach 1 is a 'serious' muscle car from back then, and it is considered real fast by those standards (1/4 mile @ 13.4), but today a stinkin' Dodge Neon SRT-4 can beat it right of the showroom floor!
But just like the reputation of the 'muscle cars' and the eighties performance cars, that ain't what its all about.
The beauty of these cars is what they attempted to do at the time they were new...what they represented in thier own performance climate, not today's performance climate.

Think of this way: The new GT-500 is a pretty awesome car, and the new ZO6 is about the best all around performance c ar ever offered for sale at any price.
But in a few years those guys are going to be laughed at by whatever is available at the time, and it will be today all over again.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Saying that the classic 'muscle cars' of the sixties and early seventies were slow is unfair. Comparing today's cars to any from 'yesterday' is ridiculous...there is no way to fairly level the playing field.
While a mid-13 second car today is no big deal, such a level of performance back in the 60s/70s was a HUGE deal.
Cars back then had extremely archaic manufacturing techiques, did not have the advatage of all the lightweight materials we do now and the level of engineering was Flintstone-era compared to today's electronic doo-dads.
It is true most typical 'super cars' from back then (the term 'muscle car' was not even coined until well into the eighties as the interest picked up) were basically mid-15 second cars. And that was fairly quick.
Dipping into the low 14s and even the 13s was considered the REAL performers, but you had to order the high-zoot engine options like the CJs, Hemis and MarkII 'pocupine's to get that level of performance. And those cars were not comfortable daily-drivers, so most did not order them with the biggest most powerful engines.
The reason the 'muscle car' got today's fondly-remembered reputatuion is because that level of performance was the pinnacle, and then the gas-crisis and emissions-related politics basically strangled the performance down to near zero.
Everyone remembered when cars were 'fast', and then-current vehicles did not come anywhere close to that. So the rose-colored reputation of 'muscle cars' was then cast in stone.
Around the beginning of the eighties or so, most manufacturers begabn to figure out how to make performance, economy and emissions work in harmony. And cars have been getting better and better in the performance market every single year since then.
Since there has been no 'break' in the offerings to the public, there has been no opportunity for enthusiasts to invest emotionally into the 'good old days' of the 2nd generation of performance, because that 2nd generation is still in full swing!
We are all living in a time of performance renaiasaince, and most take it for granted. It is truly unbelivebale to me the high level of 'real' performance available today to the average car-buyer who just has to plunk the money down on the counter.
A second 'ice age' of performance, like what we went through from 1972 to 1982 is what it is gonna take to give cars from this generation the same vaunted reputation that 'muscle cars' have today.
Everyone here basically raves about the 'awesome' performance a Super Coupe gives, but compared to today's offerings, a Super Coupe is a slug at best...not even a contender.
I mean, my 1971 429 Cobra Jet Mach 1 is a 'serious' muscle car from back then, and it is considered real fast by those standards (1/4 mile @ 13.4), but today a stinkin' Dodge Neon SRT-4 can beat it right of the showroom floor!
But just like the reputation of the 'muscle cars' and the eighties performance cars, that ain't what its all about.
The beauty of these cars is what they attempted to do at the time they were new...what they represented in thier own performance climate, not today's performance climate.

Think of this way: The new GT-500 is a pretty awesome car, and the new ZO6 is about the best all around performance c ar ever offered for sale at any price.
But in a few years those guys are going to be laughed at by whatever is available at the time, and it will be today all over again.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Hello! That was very well -written and well-thought out. Thanks for your post, your hind sight and foresight. You are absolutely right. You have put things in the right perspective.

I will keep buying these cars as long as I can afford to. It is a matter of time. A 1967 Tri Power Corvette sold for $3300 in 1967. In 1968, I paid $2700 for the one I owned. Now, the new Corvettes are the not same as in 1967... not even close! When you look at the comfort, performance and technology, is mind boggling. The same holds true in most housing market's but the cost of living and technology has had great advances. I think you are 100% right on. Well said!
Who would have thought that computers could give you any bit of info in a split second? Look at the difference between and prop plane and the Shuttle....everything is run by computers, including our cars.
Thanks for the uplift. Here Here!! It has made my Saturday morning much brighter.
Victor.........
 
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